Living with the Trump presidency

02-Mar-17 23:00:34
Great link Jen. Perhaps we need some of that training over here.

Sat 04-Mar-17 09:23:35
MazieD I am quite sure Trump knows either by learning or intuitively, what he is doing to win people over as I think he will have been doing it all his life - and he will not see it a lying or dissembling.

What he is doing in one sense is what the Leave campaigners did - he is making positive statements; ones with a possibility. He is not saying "the world is so bad we will all have to suffer" but just "Let's make America great again" and he is so positive that people believe that they, with his help, can do this - even though no one knows what making America great actually means.

Similarly, the leave campaigns slogan of "Take our country back" has no actual meaning but makes people feel good and feel positive. The far right have all the tunes at the moment. I think the saying "why should the devil have all the best tunes" (attributed to Charles Wesley, leader of the Methodist movement) is one the centre left and left need to be thinking about and they need to craft some positive messages about the future. Noticeably both the messages from the right in the US and here are looking back at the past.

I will ask you again, Have you ever actually done or tried to do something like that?

GG. I agree it might work better in Britain, but if you think the link is great, why do you only say "perhaps" we need some of that training over here?

I am remembering when George W had trouble delivering speeches. Maybe that's why Trump does not like doing it and prefers speaking "extemporaneously", or off-piste as I think of it.

Bushisms:

"There is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it."

"For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it."

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country."

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions."

"You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war president. No president wants to be a war president, but I am one."

"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."

I stepped in between two 16 year old boys once, facing down the one I knew, not knowing what was going on behind my back, but knowing that in order to do what he said he was going to do, he would have to push me out of the way first.
Admittedly it was when I was a teacher, but they were both bigger and stronger than I was.
After they had shaken hands and gone elsewhere, in opposite directions, I went to the staffromm, sat down and cried.
It's scary. That's why I agree that we could do with these courses in this country. There might be some for all I know.

The point of the link was that people in New York are getting together and standing up for their Muslim neighbours, despite trump trying to separate different groups of people.
So pleased about that.

What do you mean, it might work better in Britain. It doesn't have to work better. It has to work. That's all.
If you look at all the link, you will see that some of those learning how to defuse situations are doing so because once it happened to them.
I showed it to my grandson, and he learnt things from it.

I read an article about Bushisms, Lewlew, with all those examples.
Why is it that republicans get leaders who have difficulty stringing words together?

I would have thought that if you step between two people, the very first thing you should know is what is happening behind you.
That does not sound at all safe what you did.

Well done for doing it I suppose, but I would have thought that the very first thing training teaches or taught you, was to be able to keep an eye on what is happening all around.

I agree that is some circumstances, training to stand up for people is very helpful and useful, but the training really should be very careful.

Your main original complaint was that the article didn't mention that stepping in could put you in danger. Did you read it all and watch the video, ankers or are you just putting up objections to be contrary?

The point about the cam;paign, and about all the importance of EVERYONE standing up for those being "got at" is that in a country where all are supposed to be civilised, they can't just hide behind the police.

There was a poster a little while ago (you may remember her) who was a great advocate of laws and rules and regulations in everything under the sun, but forgot that rules have to be enforced.

When you need more official uniformed reinforcers than you have citizens, hovering on every street-corner to be near enough step in at every disagreement or unfairness, and the jails are overflowing with peoiple who have infringed a rule, then you nhave a police state - probably led by a dictator who uses all those regulations to keep himself in his position of power.

And please don't demand I give my life history to justify a statement of my views.

Not even teachers have eyes in the backs of their heads, whatever you might have believed when you were at school, Ankers.

I dont see a video.

And please don't demand I give my life history to justify a statement of my views.

Experience, especially in stuff like this, is never normally the same as scenarios.

All my points still stand.

dj, did you have training for what you encountered?

I cant believe for one second that if you did, that is what they said you should have done.

The video is the big imaget the top of the srticle, between
" 03/02/2017 03:25 pm ET | Updated 1 day ago "
and
"NEW YORK ― “It’s not my place.” “I might make it worse.” “I have to go.” “Someone else will do it.”

You click on it to make it start.

There's a video right at the top of the link.
If you can't be bothered to watch that, I can't be bothered to answer any more of your questions.

X posts, Elegran.

It is quite short, doesn't take 20 boring and confusing minutes.

I will try and watch the video. So far, I can only get the advert to play.

dj, since you are a pacifist, I am surprised you intervened. Though I suppose it was your job.
I presume all teachers get training on how and when to intervene?

Firefox blocked the actual video. I unblocked it, but it made my screen go blank.
I am not willing for the video to crash the computer, or make it go wrong in someway.

Please feel free to give me a run down of what is on it.

The article is the rundown.
I am on firefox, no problem with my video.
Read the full article for a rundown, with stills from the video.

What's being a pacifist got to do with it? I stopped two teenagers fighting. Didn't encourage them to fight.
That's what pacifists do.

Talking about pacifists, I have just been reading a yougov survey which says that 77% of those over 60 want conscription to be brought back.
Quite surprised at that, considering where we are fighting at the moment.

Do pacifists think wars stop fighting, or encourage it?

If there is nothing new at all on the video, all my points still stand.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/04/donald-trump-accuses-obama-of-wire-tapping-his-office-before-election

Has trump really lost the plot.

Ok, folks, how about everyone leaves ankers with the video (or without it as the case may be) and to nitpicking about whether trying to prevent aggression and violence is a dangerous form of escalation in itself and whether it is better to just let the bullies get on with their bullying. Then the thread can get back to "Living with Trump" ? Or we can all go and get someting to eat?

That's what I thought, Elegran, which is why I put a link on about trump.
I'm sure Ankers won't look at that one either.

However, I really do think trump has lost the plot.
Do you think Sessions will be sacked? Or has he been already?