Tony Blair

POGS I think the difference between Corbyn bashing and bashing other politicians is that most of us will criticise an action or opinion and move on, the anti-Corbyns keep repeating the same things again and again.
I hate Tony Blair for the Iraq war but will acknowledge some things were well done and some of his speech is right, but unfortunately delivered at the wrong time. I' also very suspicious of his motives. This is a man who relied on spin to sell himself and never moved without careful planning.

Sorry Jen, the language on your utube link was foul so only listened to the first two f words that was more than enough.

I don't think anyone's said there's no Tory bashing. Some political threads are set up to Tory bash. But sometimes even Tory bashing thread are turned into Corbyn bashing threads.

Never mind - Jonathan Pie says everyone's a socialist, even Corbyn bashers.

There's plenty of T May bashing from certain posters on here, trisher, and not just for actions or opinions.

On this thread, Ana?

On GN in general, durhamjen.

Thanks for the Jonathan Pie link dj I love him.

I thought you would, trisher.

Ana, if people set up a thread to criticise Theresa May or the Tory government, then obviously Theresa May will be criticised.
What's wrong with that? You don't have to read the threads if criticism of May hurts so much.

Oh dear, you can't resist can you?

I wasn't complaining about Tory/T May bashing, but your continual moaning about Corbyn-bashing's a bit rich!

Given how enormous the brexit decision is I welcome any scrutiny of how this decision is implemented. The more scrutiny the better. I attended a ref meeting where Corbyn spoke and a great deal of time was spent in condemning the Trans Asian trade deal. I didn't notice any enthusiasm for staying in the EU. Perhaps I just didn't get the drift as I was thoroughly bored and drifting off, difficulty keeping my eyes open. I want the very best deal and I want the governments actions scrutinised effectively and I want a say in the eventual agreement. Sadly there's no opposition to do this and I would welcome Mickey Mouse if he could give me some decent information so that I can make an informed decision

durhamjen

'If people set up a thread to criticise Theresa May or the Tory government, then obviously Theresa May will be criticised.
What's wrong with that? You don't have to read the threads if criticism of May hurts so much.

How weird a response. It could equally be said if a thread or indeed posts are to criticise Jeremy Corbyn , then obviously Jeremy Corbyn will be criticised.
What's wrong with that?

You don't have to read the threads, the posts, if criticism of Corbyn hurts you so much.

The problem with all of that is it is a tad silly because it is more adult to debate/discuss and criticism is fine as long as it is evidence based, factual information.

But largely it isn't POGS you can ask which policies of Corbyn's people don't like and what comes back is the same old complaints, what he did in the EU campaign, how he looks, accusations of being a trot same old same old.
Let's try it out
Corbyn believes the railways should be renationalised.
That the NHS should be given the money it needs
That we should build more social housing
That there should be living wage.
Now if we are discussing Corbyn let's have people's criticism of those.

trisher

Could be because there are copious amounts of anti Tory/government/Tory politicians than there are of Corbyn/Labour/Labour politicians.

Believe me there is / has been plenty of 'ammunition' to create threads that I alone could start about Corbyn, Labour or Labour politicians but it seems posters of other political persuasions do not have the same appetite to raise threads as much as those posters who openly have stated they dislike/hate the Tories, those who have voted other than for left wing parties.

I don't think anybody can fail to see there is a cornucopia of threads on Gransnet that are instigated by left wing posters and those who have stated they are activists.

Perhaps it is the case the Politics threads would benefit from more balance but if threads are not started then that it because of apathy on the part of those deemed right wing, no activists I suppose to be assed.

so I repeat of the betrayal this man carried out, I repeat his mistakes, this is wrong? but criticising Blair for Iraq is acceptable ?

explains much

I'd welcome those policies, trisher - wouldn't everyone?

How does he propose to fund them all though?

Trisher, you have some God given right to tell the forum what they may say and not say about Corbyn?

Annie, you think he's still sitting on the floor of a train.

Well, Ana, that's why Jonathan Pie says everyone's a socialist.

His policies, one small problem, he needs to win a general election to act on them and he will never win a general election.

So you've no idea how he'd fund his pie-in-the-sky policies either, durhamjen.

Yes, they can all make promises when they're not actually in power.

Yeah, right, Ana.

www.indy100.com/article/national-debt-country-data-map-graphic-statistics-amount-7581486

Tory promises. A Tory MP put a graph on his twitter feed ten days ago, then had to delete it because it showed that the Tory government was/is rubbish with the national debt.

So? Did I say Tory promises were any better?

How dare Tony Blair think he can over turn the referendum result Blair's arrogance is beyond belief.

As the ex chancellor has made over £65,000 from speeches I expect Tony must make similar money.

During the US election I heard H. Clinton, that snake-in-the-grass say loudly, "you're lucky to get in free. I usually charge $???,00. Can't now remember the astronomic sum.

Incidentally we watch RT Underground as they deliver news
not seen on BBC/Sky/CNN etc. Put 'fake news' into focus and explains plenty.

djen Corbyn would only be able to carry out all his policies if he borrowed really massively....in fact the national debt we now owe would be as nothing to what he would need to borrow.We know what borrowing and spending on such a scale would lead to.
This will never happen though, because Labour under his leadership would lose the next GE, handing the Conservatives a landslide victory on a plate.

Isn't RT Underground funded by the Russian Government? Hardly somewhere to go for unbiased news reporting.