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whitewave Thu 23-Feb-17 13:12:57

Crises in Prisons

Crises in Hospitals

Crises in Social Care

Crises in some Academies

Crises in Local Authority services

Day6 Wed 01-Mar-17 23:20:15

As you've just done DJ.

rosesarered Wed 01-Mar-17 23:20:46

That hmm face was meant for GGMK2 post, whatever it was meant to mean.

durhamjen Wed 01-Mar-17 23:21:11

Day6, if you look at the latest BIEN link, there will be a link to Finland who are trying it now.

rosesarered Wed 01-Mar-17 23:23:13

All that Day6 has shown up is a lack of politeness in some posters!

Chewbacca Wed 01-Mar-17 23:23:18

I "get it" as clearly as your opinions and thought processes Grace , ie they're as muddled as your hyperlink.

rosesarered Wed 01-Mar-17 23:25:11

Jalima ...what a ridiculous situation that was ( paid leave.)

GracesGranMK2 Wed 01-Mar-17 23:26:02

That is very unkind Chewbacca - what if they really are?

Chewbacca Wed 01-Mar-17 23:29:41

But you speak with such authority Graces!

durhamjen Wed 01-Mar-17 23:37:40

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2017/03/01/two-edms-have-been-tabled-to-stop-cuts-to-disability-support-with-cross-party-support/

Trying to stop the Tory cuts to disability benefits.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 01-Mar-17 23:58:22

Oh good Jen. I do hope that something succeeds. T May seems to think she could over-rule the courts with the power of waffle today. There have been some good and knowledgeable speakers in this area in the past and the first is cross party too. I still can't believe what that awful man said about people at home taking pills and dismissing the problems of anxiety. It is difficult to accept that in this day and age mental illness is dismissed in that way. I know he apologised but he wouldn't have said it if he didn't believe it - just plain nasty.

It is hard enough to work out the changes from DLA to PIP with Attendance Allowance staying in place without being prejudiced against those who have a mental issue rather than a physical one.

whitewave Thu 02-Mar-17 09:57:33

Crises in the police to add to the other crises.

I am beginning to wonder if the Tories are capable of running a brewery.

rosesarered Thu 02-Mar-17 10:14:16

I remember my Grandad ( Staunch Labour supporter) saying the same thing ww about the Wilson Government! It's a common phrase used by disaffected voters.grin

Anniebach Thu 02-Mar-17 10:28:20

Police in crisis ? What is the crisis ?

Beammeupscottie Thu 02-Mar-17 11:29:42

Not enough detectives, AB. I want to now what has happened to the NHS Crisis - has it vanished with the Spring. If you look for a crisis you will find one.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 02-Mar-17 11:47:55

I think it was rather more than that scottie. If you go to Today on-line at 07:15 and 08:10 you can hear more. Their summary says:
Policing in England and Wales is in a “potentially perilous state” according to the police standards watchdog. Zoe Billingham is Her Majesty's inspector of constabulary and Mike Barton is the National Police Chiefs Council lead for crime operations.

Also, sweeping the chaos this government has caused in the NHS under the carpet would be fine if it were true that the problems have gone away. Not all the problems lie at the feet of this government but at 07:30 on the same link there is a piece relating to:
The chief inspector of hospitals in England has said that the NHS stands on a ‘burning platform’ and that the traditional care model was ‘no longer capable’ of delivering the needs of today's population. Professor Sir Mike Richards is chief inspector of hospitals in England for the Care Quality Commission.

Beammeupscottie Thu 02-Mar-17 11:57:03

I still think the media "big it up" because they like sensationalism. Ever since I can remember (whatever lot is in power) there have been stories like this. It just gets tedious imo, especially as I find the NHs, Education and Police excellent whenever I need them.

Anniebach Thu 02-Mar-17 12:07:06

There needs to be changes in the force . Less time on computers more time on the beat. Now officers go to university then into the force , too educated to walk pavements. Heard a woman going on this morning that PSO's prevent crime by warning the public via computer, not everyone has a computer.

Police can retire after thirty years service so detectives are leaving the force when in early fifties , they have a good pension and then take another job. Doctors don't retire in their early fifties why do CID need to .

I am fed up of hearing of this crisis and that crisis .seems it's the in word, yes there are problems caused by cut backs in the force , but not all the problems are down to cut backs.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 02-Mar-17 12:08:37

I have said somewhere else on GN scottie that those who support the Conservatives are those for whom the system works and who believe that if it doesn't work for others it is entirely their own fault. Obviously you will not want to see the issues in the NHS, education, police, etc., - that is until they actually affect you.

Beammeupscottie Thu 02-Mar-17 12:10:57

As ever AB, you have a sensible grounded approach to life. The press have to justify their "vampire" existence, so love to whip up storms.

Anniebach Thu 02-Mar-17 13:03:24

Hi Beam. Now it seems some forces are in crisis, Durham has topped the list of successful forces .

Beammeupscottie Thu 02-Mar-17 13:21:39

Durham was probably licked into shape by local petitions!

Ana Thu 02-Mar-17 13:26:18

grin

My area is in the 'good' category, apparently.

Anniebach Thu 02-Mar-17 13:35:25

My area requires improvement

JessM Thu 02-Mar-17 13:46:46

Anniebach The world has changed. Nearly 50% of young people now go to university. The use of data and other IT based technologies are now essential for modern policing.
In the bad old days the police were horrendously corrupt! (yes I know, not all of them, but an awful lot of them)
Policing has improved beyond recognition and huge advances have been made in the treatment of victims of abuse.
Tory austerity has been biting into the police service. Traffic cops that actually catch offenders are becoming an endangered species.
Blaming cuts on over-educated police who don't want to walk is, frankly, implausible.

Anniebach Thu 02-Mar-17 14:16:00

Jess, i did not blame overceducatedcpolice, you have chosen one from my post to leap on. I did not blame cuts on over educated police , I did say there are problems caused by the cut backs, I also said there are faults within the forces too.

Domestic abuse has been down graded yet three women a week are murdered by abusive partners.

I did say police are far less visible on the streets because they are sat behind computers.

As for the police are less corrupt, not in my opinion, untill they are stopped from investigating themselves nothing will change . A force which has to be investigated is investigated by another force