The Tory way of governance

Then Dsohne, perhaps you have an explanation for - I will remain leader untill the job is done ?

Thank you for correcting me on the Libs being around before the eighties, confirmation that Lloyd George did exist

annie I have never ever shown support for Corbyn, even when you did. I thought he was a plonker from Day 1 and I thought the people who supported him weren't much better.

Nevertheless, I think the media has been (nearly all) very negative and unfair. Corbyn has been vilified for the wrong reasons. I understand why Corbyn and the original Momentum gained support and traditional Labour supporters need to understand that you weren't reaching out to many potential Labour voters. For them it's not about being loyal to a party, but finding a party which represents their values and beliefs.

IMHO Corbyn is politically naive. He has virtually no leadership qualities, but I don't believe he actually wants to destroy the Labour Party. If Blair had appeared on the scene in 2015 as a newbie without his Iraq baggage, he would probably have wiped the floor with the Cameron Conservatives, but the Labour Party was already tearing itself apart.

I sometimes think that Corbyn and McDonnell say the right things, but it's as though they're using an air rifle to take pot shots rather then using a stealth bomber to hit their target.

The Labour Party might very well have had its day anyway. There are not enough old-style working class to make up a majority. I can't see the way forward for them.

Rather unfortunate analogy there, daphne.
The reason lots of people support Corbyn is because he wouldn't use a stealth bomber.

Back to the Tory way of governance - or do as I say, not what I do.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/03/tory-mps-fought-cuts-to-their-own-council-after-backing-them-for-the-rest-of-the-country/

Oh, and if it wasn't for Corbyn asking for this, these letters would not have been published.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/surrey-county-council

Daphne, please do not lecture me as a Labour Party member that we need to reach out, I belong to a party which represents ny values and beliefs, Corbyn is not the lsbour party, get the difference ?

I disagree supporters of Corbyn are not much better than plonkers ,

Do as I say not as I do? Like take a holiday whilst the party is working hard on the Brexit campaign

Dear oh dear, some people do need to read what is written. I did not say AB was a Tory but that, on and on and on, she would rather support what their supporters say than the current LP.

I agree about not knowing where I sit re current politics dd. To me Corbyn was a brilliant opportunity for the LP to sort themselves out while little was expected of them but instead they used it for infighting - sad. I also like the way the press don't always seem to have the upper hand were he is concerned and he won't always jump to the hourly news churn - although I realise that's not really about his politics.

I do wish the LP would get out and make it clear that the Tories have not only brought in austerity but chosen how they did it. If we simply put Corporation Tax back to 2010 we could cover the needs of both the NHS and care. They have chosen to give the money to capital. It was a choice which has deprived the NHS and care and therefore took from the rest of us. I am certainly not happy about that.

The Lib Dems are doing what LDs do and building their party back up again. I don't see them as my natural home at the moment. I will just keep discussing and trying to learn as always I think.

This is interesting. Research shows that people work better if the system gives generous benefits.

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2017/03/10/generous-welfare-benefits-increase-the-work-ethic-the-government-is-wrong-about-perverse-incentives/

I'd like to see an update on the study using recent British statistics.

Alleged Tory expenses scandal still in the news.

www.channel4.com/news/tory-whistleblowers-election-expenses-conservative-party-battlebus

Years ago when we first went to a developing country, one of the many things that struck us was the amount of potholes in the roads and the poor state of repair..

Guess what??!!

It won't be very long before our roads are indistinguishable. They really are getting quite dreadful, and the patchwork done on the cheap is yet another thing that shows the level of public expenditure this crappy government has reduced us to.

More about Surrey council's extra money for social care.

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/10/surrey-council-received-boost-in-budget-after-sweetheart-deal-claims

Yes Channel 4 have been plugging away on the tory election fraud story. 29 police authorities investigating.

evolvepolitics.com/the-tampon-tax-is-back-and-its-being-used-to-hide-tory-failings/

No 10 and 11 totally at each other's throats and there some vicious briefs coming out from both. Bit early in this governments life isn't it?

Mind you the Brexiters are out to get Hammond and this is one amongst many.

It was ever thus with the Tories.

What was it he said in his speech about Lawson, I think, being the last one to make a speech like his, and he only lasted another eight weeks in the job?

Scrapping Tories have got us into this fine mess. Did ever a country before try to shoot itself in the foot so determinedly. (wars excepted) ? And all because the euro sceptics in the Tory party put the wind up Cameron.

So everywhere you look the country is in crises.

The Tories have also

Very likely lost us the union with Scotland

Northern Ireland is looking dodgy

Mistakenly got us out of Europe

On and on in their clueless way.

No 10 and No 11 at each others' throats

Dejà vu, plus ça change etc.

Mistakenly got us out of Europe

Don't know how you work that out...

Don't know how you work that out...

It's not rocket science, Ana

Cameron was having problems with the extreme right wing of the tories. He promised them a referendum to keep them sweet. There was absolutely no need whatsoever to have one; no crisis in the UK, no crisis in the EU.
As he (and most MPs) never imagined for one moment that the result would be a 'No' they didn't bother to devise an appropriate referendum and despite the advice of the Civil Service that the referendum was advisory (see the Commons briefing paper) they promised to go with the result. But because they had no idea that the result would go against them they had absolutely no contingency plan in place, apart from saying that they would invoke A50 straight away. Though, to be fair, neither did the b****y Leavers, some of whom hadn't wanted to 'win' as it turned out.. Then the idiot who got us into this mess ran away, tra la la ing, to live on his inherited wealth and the enormous fees he'll get for 'consultancy' work and after dinner speeches.

Do I really need to go on? It was a mistake; they didn't mean to do it...

And just to depress us angry Remainers more, I found this on twitter this morning:

extranewsfeed.com/50-dumb-fuck-reasons-for-leaving-the-eu-66a40c72c1da#.l6x0ccrom

I do actually know people who have used some of these reasons...

There is one reasonable reason there, that the ensuing recession will bring down house prices, so more people will be able to afford to buy houses.
I'm not sure those who voted to leave will appreciate it, though.

You're still jumping the gun rather, MaizieD - we're not actually 'out of' Europe yet. That's not rocket science either...

Although it was of course whitewave who made the original statement.

The problem Jen may be that salaries of many on low pay still do not go up sufficiently for those people to get mortgages.