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whitewave Thu 23-Feb-17 13:12:57

Crises in Prisons

Crises in Hospitals

Crises in Social Care

Crises in some Academies

Crises in Local Authority services

POGS Thu 16-Mar-17 11:43:24

Jess M

" I was talking to a union person about it"

Did you by any chance ask him/her about the European Union Posted Workers Directive, or did he/she offer up any comment on it?

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 15:21:16

skwawkbox.org/2017/03/16/the-longest-confession-note-in-history-conhome-admits-what-cchq-want-to-hide/

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 15:21:58

Whitewave, they would have been fined more than £70,000 but that was the maximum allowed.

whitewave Thu 16-Mar-17 15:25:35

The comment on the radio was that it was the worse case ever. That is why the police are looking into it. I can imagine that there is a lot of activity behind the scenes to try and persuade the police not to press charges.

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 16:03:19

The fine is separate from the police complaints about it. They go to the CPS, not the electoral commission, but because the electoral commission has found something wrong, it will give the police more heart, I would think.

whitewave Thu 16-Mar-17 16:04:41

Hope so but I bet they are being lent on

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 16:10:25

Apparently some Tories are blaming the Electoral Commission for the rules not being explained well enough!

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 16:14:25

Despite the fact that they admitted in Conservative Home what they had been up to.

www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/06/the-computers-that-crashed-and-the-campaign-that-didnt-the-story-of-the-tory-stealth-operation-that-outwitted-labour.html

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 17:05:01

12 police forces have handed over files on 20 MPs.

www.theguardian.com/global/2017/mar/15/second-tory-reveals-police-investigated-him-over-spending-allegations

whitewave Thu 16-Mar-17 17:07:34

If there is proven fraud, would that make the election null and void? They are past masters at fiddling aren't they?? Wonder how the duck house is doing!!

Ana Thu 16-Mar-17 17:09:27

You can always live in hope, whitewave...grin

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 17:12:54

It could. It depends on whether there is prison involved.
In Thanet there was over £18,000 spent on hotel bills. The local amount to be spent is £16,000. They are trying to say it was national expenditure, but Tories were giving out local leaflets. Not that I wish Farage had won, but it's bad that they think they could not have won fairly.
Tories are now saying that it's vexacious, and the police should be spending their time on more important matters.
Democracy and the law don't matter?

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 17:14:16

The BBC think it's important now.

JessM Thu 16-Mar-17 17:16:50

The words of the Electoral Commission are pretty strong about the possibility that candidates may have had a financial advantage. They are obviously hoping that the legal process is decisive.
Suspect the Tory P will try to blame the notorious Mark Clarke who has been thrown out of the party, following allegations of bullying and a suicide of a young activist.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/17/inquiry-into-tory-bullying-scandal-finds-13-alleged-victims-of-mark-clarke
But he was a protege of Shapps who had been put in charge of the campaign despite his slightly less than totally squeaky clean ethical record. See his Wiki entry.
Shapps has been demoted. He's still an MP so he could be implicated in any criminal charges.
POGS could you catch me up on that one please? I am not familiar with that directive and what you are wondering about.

whitewave Thu 16-Mar-17 17:17:24

Apparently the Tories wouldn't assist the Commision at all until they were forced to. Stinks doesn't it?

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 17:26:03

I like Jon Snow's tweets.

twitter.com/jonsnowC4?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ilovecheese Thu 16-Mar-17 18:46:52

So do we think the Conservative party was being deliberately corrupt, or do we think they are just not very good at managing money?

Rigby46 Thu 16-Mar-17 18:52:33

I wouldn't use the word corrupt but I would say there were people involved who 'played the system'. To me the shocking part is that they had to be forced to hand over files - now that isn't on isvit?

trisher Thu 16-Mar-17 18:54:24

Aren't they the party that are supposed to be the ones that can be trusted to run the economy? Now it seems they couldn't manage their own money? No it's much more likely to be a case of creative accounting!

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 18:57:52

Of course it is corrupt.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/andrew-gwynne/national-insurance_b_15400494.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

They admit to it here.

www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2015/06/the-computers-that-crashed-and-the-campaign-that-didnt-the-story-of-the-tory-stealth-operation-that-outwitted-labour.html

Rigby46 Thu 16-Mar-17 19:30:28

Of course the upside was that it probably kept Nigel out ,?

rosesarered Thu 16-Mar-17 20:09:35

I thought that Labour had done the same thing ( overspending) and also the Lib Dems, according to something I heard on the radio today.

whitewave Thu 16-Mar-17 21:29:34

if they have it is nowhere near the scale of the rotten Tories.

Ana Thu 16-Mar-17 21:36:23

'rotten'...grin

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 22:12:21

skwawkbox.org/2017/03/16/tory-electoral-breach-survey-suggests-widespread-postal-vote-breaches/