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whitewave Thu 23-Feb-17 13:12:57

Crises in Prisons

Crises in Hospitals

Crises in Social Care

Crises in some Academies

Crises in Local Authority services

durhamjen Thu 23-Feb-17 22:00:14

At the same time there are increases in arms exports since May and trump held hands. I suppose it fits their ideology, to reduce the number of Muslims.

Fitzy54 Thu 23-Feb-17 22:08:39

www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/theresa-may-is-the-most-left-wing-tory-prime-minister-for-40-years/
This might be behind a paywall, but hopefully not. In any event, you will see from the name of the article that not everyone believes this is the most right wing Tory govt. in recent history! But what the writer does say is that Brexit is likely to force the UK into a more right wing economic stance - that is to say a lower corporate tax regime- in order to compete on a global basis. But the basic starting point was that TM is very much a centre right politician and is aiming to take up some of the slack left open following Labour's lurch left.

rosesarered Thu 23-Feb-17 22:10:18

Very much what I thought too Fitzy

durhamjen Thu 23-Feb-17 22:25:45

It's all soundbite, though, fitzy.
Can you tell us anything she has done that she said she would do on the doorstep of number 10?

A leftwing Tory doesn't promote free schools or grammar schools, and that has nothing to do with the EU pushing her in that direction.
A leftwing Tory does not promote the sales of weapons to Saudi Arabia.

Cutting corporation tax is very right wing.
Making the poor poorer is very right wing. She hasn't addressed that at all.

JessM Thu 23-Feb-17 22:33:38

Ha-ha. Fitzy The PM maybe holding forth on non right wing policies but we haven's seen anything put into practice yet - unless someone can put me right.
BBC currently running a big news item about the fact that we need immigrants and the government are starting to worry about not having enough to keep the hospitality industry (and others) afloat. They are busy messing this up too. (Maybe this is an incompetence issue...)

durhamjen Thu 23-Feb-17 22:34:56

Closure of the child poverty unit is not very leftwing Tory.

Fitzy54 Thu 23-Feb-17 22:35:29

A few of the recent Tory ultra right wing policies and their effect:
gay marriage; increasing the tax free allowance on incomes; increasing the foreign aid budget; increasing limits on pension contributions for the wealthy; sustained lowering of unemployment; increasing minimum (living) wage; realignment of stamp duty to charge more to high value properties; additional stamp duty charges on second properties; limiting tax relief on rental income to basic rate........

MaizieD Thu 23-Feb-17 22:39:04

It's hogwash from a rightwing magazine.

Fitzy54 Thu 23-Feb-17 22:44:43

In terms specifically of TMs promises and policies, her govt. and civil servants are snowed under with Brexit issues so I think she has to be given a lot of slack. Brexit was something she inherited - willingly, but nonetheless inherited- and the timeframe is such that the govt. and civil service have to prioritise it, and it must be (should be) taking up a great deal of resource

rosesarered Thu 23-Feb-17 22:45:17

As opposed to hogwash from a left wing magazine.grin

Fitzy54 Thu 23-Feb-17 22:46:26

Mazie, presumably then you would say (I wouldn't) that everything that has been posted from the Guardian is hogwash from a left wing newspaper?

durhamjen Thu 23-Feb-17 22:47:02

Brexit crisis in hospitals.

www.welfareweekly.com/thousands-of-doctors-trained-in-europe-may-quit-uk-after-brexit/

Can we cope with 40% fewer european doctors?

rosesarered Thu 23-Feb-17 22:47:42

The policies that Fitzy mentions were harldly right wing were they?
Exactly, dealing with Brexit is a priority.

JessM Thu 23-Feb-17 22:51:34

Bit of a mix of things there Fitzy
If you're going to talk fiscal then you should also list the tax rate cut for people on the higher rate...
Anything there you could lay at the door of our current PM?

durhamjen Thu 23-Feb-17 22:52:01

Tories were dragged kicking and screaming to increase the foreign aid budget. They didn't want to. It's actually 0.7% of GDP. I bet they will reduce it as soon as we leave the EU.

durhamjen Thu 23-Feb-17 22:54:44

Fitzy, the man who wrote that article is a columnist for the Sun.

Fitzy54 Thu 23-Feb-17 23:05:55

The 45% higher tax rate is actually 5% more than the 40% that had been in place for many years before Brown's increase to 50%. The figure he chose was clearly a knee jerk reaction to the crisis. The reduction to a halfway point was, at least arguably, more considered. All I'm really trying to say with all this is that the OP and a few others are taking a very blinkered view. Criticising and debating individual issues is fine, but uncompromising accusations of rabid right wing, ideologically inspired "starve the poor" policies is just ridiculous.

durhamjen Thu 23-Feb-17 23:12:16

How many people use foodbanks now? Has that changed at all since May came in?

durhamjen Thu 23-Feb-17 23:41:53

Can you tell me how the economy works for everyone, fitzy?

Fitzy54 Thu 23-Feb-17 23:47:08

To be honest DJ I don't know, and I wouldn't be surprised if the number had increased. If you would like to start a thread about food banks we can all concentrate on that. But, and this is my point, if there is any point in having a discussion on that or any other issue, we need to start with an open mind rather than assume (in the example you give) either that the existence of food banks means we are on the brink of a national famine or that their popularity is simply a function of the availability of free food.

Fitzy54 Thu 23-Feb-17 23:50:21

I meant I don't know how many people use food banks. As to your second question, I'm sure the economy doesn't work as well for everyone; or that it ever could; and I've no doubt it could be fairer; and certainly, it could be much, much, less fair.

durhamjen Thu 23-Feb-17 23:53:30

Do a search for foodbanks, fitzy. You'll find we've had that thread before.

Fitzy54 Fri 24-Feb-17 00:04:27

Will do - but time for bed now. Goodnight all!

Ginny42 Fri 24-Feb-17 11:18:00

I'm still waiting to hear TM say anything worth listening to. Always the same meaningless stuff about a global Britain that works for everyone - she just omits to explain how! It's not working for a lot of people right now and more are likely to be joining them in the forseeable future. I had an emergency call from a charity I support recently, saying the food bank was running out of supplies. That's how bad it is.

Ironically, whilst this is happening, we keep being told that we are the world's fifth biggest economy. The inequalities in the UK are not through the EU bringing us poverty; the inequalities are of our own making. It is the wealthy in the UK who keep the poor in the UK poor. Blaming the poverty in areas like north east, on the EU is ignoring the facts.

From speaking about what a disaster it would be to leave the EU, (speech to Goldman Sachs bankers)she and the Tory government is leading the country into being a very small cog in international trading.

May is PM purely because, as Ken Clarke said, 'it's not her fault,there was no one else'. In other words, the alternatives were even more ghastly.

At least an effective opposition would have been hounding them on a daily basis without let up.

durhamjen Fri 24-Feb-17 11:22:24

Yes, Ginny, even though a global citizen is a citizen from nowhere, according to her.
I think we've moved to the sixth biggest economy now. We've been overtaken by either China or India.