The Tory way of governance

In the meantime...

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/02/23/the-reduction-in-migration-numbers-is-a-british-tragedy

41,000 fewer international students applying to come here, mainly from outside the EU. That's an enormous loss of income for our universities.

To revert to 'hogwash'. I described it as that because May has done nothing which could be remotely construed as 'left wing'. I'm really not sure what the article was trying to achieve. Persuade left wingers that May isn't as bad as they think she is?

The list which whitewave sets out in her OP are all things that a left wing PM would be concerned about and acting on. May hasn't shown any concern or action. And while her government continues to promote austerity as their economic policy all these crises will get worse.

The real clue as to this governments 'concern' for the 'just abut managing' and 'left behinds' came in the statement that To compensate for the tariff barriers that would then exist between us and the rest of Europe we would have to become more competitive. 'More competitive' can only mean 'cheaper' and 'cheaper' is most often achieved by cutting wages (as they are a major cost of production). Although this is not particularly May's stated policy it will be a result of Brexit, which she is leading. (And please don't anyone claim it's 'speculation'; this piece is written by a Brexiter who, presumably, sees clearly what the future holds as it is 'their' plan') Clearly not much concern for the poor there, then.

They've been told not to talk about jams any more. They have to call them ordinary working families, owfs.

Quite a few points to look at here. Firstly, I couldn't find the foodbanks thread. Ginny - I agree TM comes out with a lot of unconvincing rhetoric, but I can't recall a PM, or indeed many politicians, who were/are not deserving of the same criticism. In terms of inequality, I wouldn't attempt to argue that there are not vast differences in wealth within the UK. But I don't see that that is the result of Tory policies. Those polices have raised the percentage of people paying no income tax up to around 43%, and increased the percentage paid by th top 1% of earners to over 27%. I also agree that she is leading us into a very uncertain world by leaving the EU via a hard Brexit, but that wasn't her choice. The majority voted out, and while different people had different motives, the one thing that is abundantly clear is that they didn't vote to lose all influence in EU policy making but at the same time remain subject all the fundamental pillars of the union and continue to contribute, and that seems to be the only option the EU have on offer other than a hard Brexit. Indeed, some of them seem to absolutely relish the idea that we be made to suffer. Maisie, you mentioned a statement about competitiveness being a priority in exiting the EU. I guess that will be the case, and I agree that the effect of more competition could well be reduced wages. It could also be reduced unemployment. And let's not forget that EU migration policy is also often quoted as having a negative effect on wages, nor that the Tories have increased the minimum wage. DJ I agree totally that the reduction in foreign student applications is a great loss to us, and not only in terms of income. But that again is a result of the referendum, not TMs policies. As I have said, much as I would like it, I just can't equate the result as a vote for what seems to be currently on offer from the EU.

It's a result of all the hate crime before and since the referendum. I haven't seen May trying to put a stop to it.

Next time, fitzy, can you put some paragraphs in, please. It's difficult to take all that stream of consciousness in.

I can't believe you can't find a thread on foodbanks, fitzy. Just search in the search box. At least 150 came up when I searched.

DJ, apologies re paragraphs. I was a bit rushed! Will try again to find the foodbanks threads. Re hate crime, it's really an issue for the police isn't it?

The police do deal with hate crime when it is reported. But the point is that students are no longer wanting to come here because of hate crime. Immigrants no longer wish to come because of xenophobia, and who can blame them?

Marine le Pen says May is running policies that she wants to run.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/02/far-right-leader-marine-le-pen-praises-theresa-may-she-is-running-policies-i-want-to-run/
I wonder what May thinks about that.

David Davis has said the UK relies on immigrants more than Brexiteers said.
He said it in a Times interview, so the plebs who don't read the Times can't read it - or those who do not want to make Murdoch richer than he is.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/02/brexit-minister-finally-admits-the-uk-is-far-more-reliant-on-eu-migrants-than-they-had-said/

Le Pen is taliking rubbish. TM hasn't put in place "drastic limitations" on immigration and the idea of "smart protectionism" is a million miles away from anything she has proposed - quite the opposite.

It doesn't matter what you believe, fitzy. It's what Le Pen says and her followers believe.
Look at how much we were lied to over Brexit, and still are being.

I think you are agreeing that Le Pen is lying (?) and comparing this to Brexit lies? Clearly some on the Brexit side did lie. No argument from me there. I'm not convinced that many people believed the lies, but I really don't know. I would badge what we are being currently told more as optimistic speculation rather then lies, but I do see where you are coming from.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2017/02/24/mps-pay-rises-ipsa_n_14982754.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Theresa May; the Copeland byelection result shows that the Tories govern for everyone.
The Last Leg; a storm called Theresa, that only targets the poor.

Losing Copeland is a major defeat for Labour.

What's that to do with how the Tories govern,roses?
I hope, for their sakes, it means that the hospital services are saved.

Snoopers charter is unlawful, says EU law.
Another government crisis.

arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2017/02/investigatory-powers-law-missing-draft-communications-data-code/

The Last Leg is political comedy, not Gospel.

No but there is a lot of truth behind the comedy. Theresa May does target the poor. Can you prove otherwise?

Do you hope that Copeland's hospital services are saved? Do you hope they do not close down the maternity services and the A&E?

I guess, DJ, it means that the people in at least one constituency (formerly safe Labour) think that Tory governance is better than anything Labour - or any other party - are offering. Maybe they are wrong, but it seems to be indicative of the general view at the moment. Surely substantial democratic support has a great deal to do with how the Tories govern?

You are right. What is known as the Overton Window has moved towards the right over the last 15 or so years.

It's why democracy is not an entirely satisfactory form of government (even if it did operate in the UK).

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch."

Another Last Leg quote. The last time a Tory won Copeland was when Hitler was just a man with a moustache.