The Tory way of governance

Hmm

So what happened in Copeland on Thursday durhamjen, did Adam Hills expand on the crass comment?

This is Tory governance hitting the poor.

A court decided that some of those getting PIP were being treated unfairly. So, instead of agreeing with what the court said, the DWP has changed the rules so they do not pay out any more. It doesn't care about people, just money.

www.careappointments.co.uk/care-news/england/item/41372-dwp-shifting-goalposts-on-pip-will-hit-160-000-disabled-people-say-labour

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/benefits-cut-change-tory-pip-9906018

DJ, this doesn't look like a very compassionate decision by the govt. I agree. But then again, at a cost of £3bn, maybe it wasn't seen as the best way of spending the limited cash available to fund benefits? If Labour was in power there would be things they want to do but felt they couldn't afford - every govt. has to care about money as well as people.

I hate loathe and detest Tories and always have. But right now I don't see anybody else who is able to step in and do anything about them, and Theresa May is a thousand times better than Call Me Dave and his school pals. Labour just now is totally disorganised and useless. I'm in Scotland and I vote SNP - at least they stick together and sing from the same hymn sheet - just like Labour used to do.
If they got a really good strong good leader then Labour could get back up there and be an Opposition. Because whoever is in power, you need an Opposition to make them toe the line!

I am sorry you 'hate 'me fumanchu .

well I dont "hate" tories but I certainly dont understand why any ordinary person who isn't mega rich would ever vote for them.Lets be honest they're making a bigger mess than any government ever has in decades if not longer .I too vote SNP ,though I was raised in a family who were labour ,from day one of the party.The "crisis" in the NHS is manufactured so they can sell it off after proving how badlly its performing...its happening right under your noses ,and no one is fighting against it!

paddyann, you took away your support from the Labour Party who is fighting against the death of the NHS , with respect you can't complain

It's a good job we don't say that we hate all SNP fumanchu but I expect ( hope) that you meant ' the politicians themselves '( Tories) and not simply anybody who happens to be a Conservative voter.
Can't agree with your views paddyann and what you consider a mess is no doubt due to the uncertainties of Brexit.Unemployment is at an all time low, the economy is doing ok just to name two good things.
I also can't go along with the 'unless you are mega rich why vote for them 'scenario, as that means that only if you are poor you could vote Labour or hope for a Socialist Government.

Of course I meant the Tory party lol - I wouldn't ever hate every single person who voted for them. I thought that would be understood in a granny forum lol, we aren't teenagers!
Paddyann me too re Labour family background...miners daughter granddaughter etc etc. But Labour aren't any good either, they aren't fighting for the ones at the bottom of the pile, which is what the party used to be all about.

The economy is doing okay for whom, roses?
Not the extra 160,000 disabled who are having their benefits cut. Not those on zero hours contracts and minimum wage.
Not those on here who are having to work longer hours before they can get their pension. Not those who cannot afford to buy a house.

Well fumanchu, nobody could accuse you of not taking your politics seriously! Still, you make some good points. But I think you'll find that it's the job of the opposition parties to toe the line. Lol?

Nice to know when posters write/say 'They Hate Tories' (and it is often said) they can be excused from sounding personal .

LOL

Funny how it's nearly always socialists telling people how they loathe Tories, it's hardly never the other way round!!!

roses last couple of lines of your post a bit unclear. You seem to think that everyone votes out of self-interest. Rather than what they think is good for less fortunate people and for the country in general.
All over the land people vote Labour because they want everyone to have a reasonable standard of living, a good health service and a good education.
They are voting against the devil-take-the hindmost while the rich get richer doctrine of the Conservative Party.
Classic example of Tory values - voting down a bill that wanted (last year) to compel landlords to ensure that rental properties are *fit for human occupation"

Jess, I know you don't see it but all over the land people vote Tory for much the same reasons. I have voted for all the major parties at one time or another. I would never vote Labour just now because, rightly or wrongly, I think their policies would result in an economic car crash, and the NHS, education, standards of living and many other things would suffer enormously.

Anniebach I took MY support to the party who is doing most for MY country,I'm pro independence as were the labour party ,their very first literature stated HOME RULE FOR SCOTLAND ,sadly Ms Dugdale and the rest of the scottish branch office have decided thats not what they want.The NHS in Scotland is performing far better than in the rUK,with over 92% of patients seen ,treated and either sent to a ward or allowed home within the 4 hour window.96% of Patients said they were either very satisfied or extremely satisfied with their NHS treatment ...so I'M not causing the problems in the English Welsh and NI NHS ,thats down to their administrations

JessM exactly the opposite, I was refuting that only mega rich people should vote Tory, if that thought process applied, then only poorer people should vote Labour.In fact there is no reason that working class people should not vote Tory or that rich people should not vote Labour.They do, as different policies appeal to different people.
In fact, as we all know, the reason Labour are doing so badly is that all it's voters are not poor at all.Things have changed completely as to voting patterns.
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The other problem for the Labour Party, is that nobody much trusts them with the economy.....and as May, and Cameron before her kept saying, if you don't have a healthy economy, there is very little money to do the things that need doing, including helping those that need help the most.

Corbyn's ideas are to borrow, borrow and borrow again, which is anathema to most voters.

That absolutely sums it up roses.

But of course it's dressed up as PQE, which is somehow supposed to make it seem more 'moral'...

"Print more money for the People!"

* Corbyn's ideas are to borrow, borrow and borrow again, which is anathema to most voters. * this could legitimately be said for Bliar, Brown and co too. They borrowed so much that, when they left office, they left a note in the treasurer's office saying that the kitty was empty. It certainly was too. I seem to remember that Brown "borrowed" considerably from pension funds.

The deficit rose enormously while Osborne was Chancellor despite him keeping on about balancing the books. It was not so much Gordon Brown who opened a whole in the finances but it was the need to bale out the Bankers - prior to that we were in a reasonable state. Everyone forgets the bankers and blames the Labour Govt which has allowed the Bankers to get back to their old ways pretty quickly - they had hardly any dip in their massive bonuses.

Lots of money has been put into the economy over the last few years with no sign of being able to lessen it - borrowing is the highest percentage of GDP ever.