Labour now

Prove your point Jen? Oh well

" If the media played no part in your views, how do you come to the conclusion you do on the train journey?

How did you find out about that if not from the media?

The video was made by and ' released to the media ' by Corbyn at his behest. He was perfectly happy to use the media for his own purpose but it made him look pretty stupid in the end.

It was filmed by a volunteer from Corbyn's 2nd Leadership campaign wasn't it? There was ridicule in the media but he deserved it.

Do you class You Tube / Blogs etc. as the media? That's where a lot of people get their information from now.

To get back to the title of the thread "Labour Now" - as a voter with no political allegiances but a voter who wants a strong effective opposition to whatever party is in Government - not for idealogical reasons but merely to ensure the ruling Government is competent - I look at the weakness of the opposition front bench - they are ineffective. I despair. I cannot imagine Jeremy Corbyn as a Prime Minister or John McDonnell as a Chancellor - not one of them (maybe, maybe, perhaps Keir Starmer) has the authority or even looks like a future Secretary of State. The best intervention at PMQs today was from Yvette Cooper from the backbenches. Corbyn was thrown off balance (yet again) by an unexpected announcement - he cannot think on his feet - it is embarrassing. Can anyone really think he could run this country? Good grief - the man is a nightmare - but for the Tories he's a dream.

To GG, I really have no wish to reply to you but I think you need to learn something. You claimed I was happy, no, I am devasted , something you wouldn't understand, a party I hsve been loyal to through good and bad times, which I hsve worked hard for for over fifty years , wept when it has lost, rejoiced when it has suceeded, been angry with and proud of . Day by day I am watching this party being destroyed by s group of people who are not fit to wipe the shoes of those who hsve gone before them, true lsbour party leaders and members .

I accept it would take a person with some sensitivity to understand this

dddb77, did you miss the part where since Corbyn took over, there have been 30 Tory uturns?
Thatcher would be most upset!

dbDB, Corbyn was pathetic today because some replies expected were not written down for him to read , he cannot do instant fight back

Annie, why did you vote for Corbyn to be leader if you have disliked him since the 80s?

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/03/15/national-insurance-u-turn-may-virtually-digs-own-grave-and-buries-herself-during-pmqs/

Jen when have I said I disliked Corbyn from the eighties, I didn't know untill last year the dirty campaign he was running in the eighties , I didn know he was a liar , I didn't know he was false

durhamjen - I don't know where you get the figure of 30 u-turns but I don't want to dispute it because I think it proves my point - if that has been the case, how come Jeremy Corbyn & his front bench have not made massive political capital out of it?

The right wing media, db?

skwawkbox.org/2017/03/15/thirty-toryuturns-corbyns-labour-has-forced-from-the-tories/

durhamjen - I think blaming the mainstream media is part of the problem - it stops those who support the Labour party front bench from addressing the inadequacies of their performance. Much easier to blame "the media".

Did you watch it today? Did you see Kuennsberg doing her normal hatchet job on Corbyn?
The articles I have read think he did a reasonable job, but you wouldn't think so from some of the comments on here.

The articles you read will have presumably from the media too?

I presume[though actually I could be wrong] that you dont know key figures in the labour party, past and present. personally? Or perhaps in person, as opposed to "from the media" whichever sources that is?

[no idea who Skwawkbox is]

If he or she is right[can anyone confirm this at all?] then
good, as in yes Corbyn or was it the Labour Party or some other Party or the general public, or friends of the people in the Tory party made the Tory party change their minds. Good that is if the changes were good for the country.

But some? of them were only plans? Isnt that partly what happens nowadays, a Party starts talking about plans, gets everyone talking, and then they go from there? See what the general public/voters think?

How can someone start a thread about news being bad for your health, then claim she is not influenced by the media?

It didn't need 'the media' to see that Corbyn did badly at PMQ's yesterday, it just needed eyes to see and ears to hear.

Who is this 'she' durhamjen?

Perhaps this belongs on the Budget thread, but I can't see it.
People can be quick to blame Laura Kuenssberg and accuse her and the BBC of pro-Tory bias, but according to Philip Johnstone (political commentator) today

Most of all, it was extraordinary to hear the Chancellor admit in the Commons that the first person to call public attention to the fact that he had broken an election pledge was Laura Kuenssberg of the BBC

It is clear to all that Corbyn missed several opportunities to let the Government Front Bench "have it with both barrels"or so it seems. Even Labour MPs were talking about missing open goals, and that the Tory backbenches have provided a more competent Opposition, at least in this instance, than the Labour Front Bench.

Tory backbenchers brought about the change of the NIC plans not the oposition

I think that was my point too.

Yes. I was agreeing with you

I like this description of Corbyn: "...the leader of the opposition has the charisma of A
bert Steptoe and the intellectual dexterity of a cinnamon whirl." Patrick Kidd on Corbyn's performance at PMQ this week.