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thatbags Thu 23-Feb-17 21:21:10

What these people have to say about Labour as it is now struck cords with me.

Peter Hurst (@peterleohurst)
'Blue labour types' right about 1thing: many trad Labour voters more conservative than many third wayers/centrists care to acknowledge.
2. That conservatism with a small 'c' includes things like loving the royal family and being proud of being British. Social dems might not
3. win via 'riding the tiger of nationalism' but they wont win via the old 'New' Labour formulation either. The 5 million voters lost
4. During the years 1997-2010 are not going to return to a party that is, in effect, the lib dems in drag Iain. prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/labou…

Lisa Muggeridge (@LisaMuggeridge)
I have noticed that Westminster does appear to believe that the only function of the north is to reliably vote Labour. And we don't now.
For as long as UKIP, the Labour left and fringe batshittery is the only alternative to Lab up here the Tories will clean up.
'Why would working class people vote Tory'. Because they cant vote Labour and the alternative is UKIP. In a nutshell.
One of the striking things about the left is this shock at working class tories, and working class people who dont want their revolution.

The photo is Hurst's Twitter profile. What it says seems well put too.

durhamjen Wed 15-Mar-17 20:43:34

thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/2017/03/15/corbyns-best-win-yet-highlights-the-shallowness-of-our-media/

durhamjen Wed 15-Mar-17 21:19:30

skwawkbox.org/2017/03/15/thirty-toryuturns-corbyns-labour-has-forced-from-the-tories/

Who says the media is not to blame for Corbyn's reputation?

POGS Wed 15-Mar-17 21:24:53

I do for one.

rosesarered Wed 15-Mar-17 21:26:26

And me! Corbyn's reputation is down to one person...Corbyn.

Chewbacca Wed 15-Mar-17 21:27:21

Only Corbyn is responsible for Corbyn's reputation.

durhamjen Wed 15-Mar-17 21:30:15

Are you all saying that the media has no effect on your and other people's views? I don't believe you.
If thew media only gives negative views of people, you don't look for the positive elsewhere, do you? You believe what the media says.

rosesarered Wed 15-Mar-17 21:36:44

How do you know this for a fact durhamjen ?You can't know anything about me or the others, and what we do or don't do.

POGS Wed 15-Mar-17 21:38:11

Well I for one don't believe all the media says, only a fool is that gullable.

However it appears there are those who always appear to blame the media for anything that does not suit their cause.

Anniebach Wed 15-Mar-17 21:42:15

If you don't believe me you are accusing me of being a liar

The media has played no,part in my views of Corbyn

He betrayed me , many more and the Labour party, no help from the media, all his own grubby, sneaky , scheming work

Ana Wed 15-Mar-17 21:47:00

You really are being ridiculous, durhamjen. Corbyn's delusional.

Ankers Wed 15-Mar-17 21:51:03

How much are you affected by the media dj?

durhamjen Wed 15-Mar-17 21:51:08

You get funnier and funnier, annie.
I wasn't talking about you, just the ones who responded to my link about Corbyn's labour party having forced the Tories to make 30 u-turns.
Are you sure you are in the right party?
If the media played no part in your views, how do you come to the conclusion you do on the train journey?
How did you find out about that if not from the media?

durhamjen Wed 15-Mar-17 21:54:59

Annie, YOU voted for his grubby scheming sneaky work, as you call it. You did not like him from the 80s, but you voted for him!
What does that make you?

What's your definition of delusional, Ana?

trisher Wed 15-Mar-17 21:56:08

It isn't a question of believing everything the media says POGS rather of being fed biased or inadequate information that provides a slanted view of someone. A prime example is Theresa May.She was one of the worst Home Secretaries ever, but her failures and their effects were rarely reported in the popular press. She is now a PM with a very dodgy history, but no one is challenging her.
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/07/theresa-mays-record-home-secretary-isnt-reassuring/

Corbyn on the the other hand has every single thing recorded.

durhamjen Wed 15-Mar-17 21:57:26

I'm affected by the media, Ankers. It's only delusional people who claim not to be.
That's why I choose my media carefully. I make sure not to be influenced by Murdoch for a start.

Ana Wed 15-Mar-17 22:03:52

I think we've all noticed your links are 'carefully chosen' durhamjen! grin

durhamjen Wed 15-Mar-17 22:04:13

www.theguardian.com/money/2017/mar/15/hammonds-nics-u-turn-is-a-political-disaster-for-the-government

Do you believe that this is Hammond's u-turn or was it May's idea?
Which bit of the media do you believe about this?

Anniebach Wed 15-Mar-17 22:11:06

I found out about the lies in the train Jen because Corbyn arranged for it to be filmed , you cannot lay the blame on the media for that. Come to think,of it, you could , you would blame the plague of frogs in Egypt if it suited your Corbyn fairytale

I am not so sure you realise by now I am speaking the truth but you fear admitting thst like me you were wrong, also you love posting,links so want the disagreements to continue

Anniebach Wed 15-Mar-17 22:13:38

Come off the orange Jen, you do choose your links carefully to suit your views, truth doesn't come into the choices

POGS Wed 15-Mar-17 22:17:58

DJ

Well let's put it this way I don't have a clue whether it was Hammond or May but I'm not going to blame the media for something that happened because it doesn't suit me.

As for stating

" That's why I choose my media carefully "

Hmm.

Anniebach Wed 15-Mar-17 22:18:14

I am glad the government did scrap the NIC proposal, perhsps May should hsve borrowed Corbyns line on being asked by the selecte committee why he called Hamas his friends. - WITH HINDSIGHT I REALISE I WAS WRONG.

Fitzy54 Wed 15-Mar-17 22:34:26

Trisher surely all those issues under May as Home Secretary were well reported at the time? Maybe I'm wrong but they all looked pretty familiar to me? They may not look great on her CV but I don't think the media covered anything up or ignored it to protect her. I'm not saying there is never bias but, in general, I think I the media is pretty fair. They must be as the more partisan supporters of all political parties seem to complain a great deal about bias against their party!

durhamjen Wed 15-Mar-17 22:51:26

Sorry, Annie, I would respond, but I don't understand what you are on about. You really should read your posts before you post.
I can't quite work out whether you are calling me a liar or not, it's so convoluted.

Anniebach Wed 15-Mar-17 22:54:48

No idea which of my posts you are referring to Jen

durhamjen Wed 15-Mar-17 22:59:16

Exactly, Annie, you've proved my point.

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