Scottish Referendum Autumn 2018 - Spring 2019

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quite frankly I have never read so much uninformed rubbish in my life...It may have escaped your notice but SCOTTISH people VOTED NICOLA STURGEON INTO POWER knowing full well that the SNP 's core policy is independence...for the same reason we voted 56 MP's from that party into Westminster...so where you all get the notion that Scotland doesn't want Independence from escapes me.The Scottish people in general ..( there will be a minority who are different) DONT HATE THE ENGLISH...We only want to be in control of our OWN COUNTRY.Now imagine you own a business ,its doing really well but your neighbour next door isn't doing SO well,in fact they have rising debts and trade deficits...so they take ALL your revenue and give you a % back with "instructions" on How it should be spent ...and to stick to that budget.THEY'LL spend all the rest on THEIR business and issues .Most of which would never affect your business at all.There you have the problem...the UK is currently in massive debt and its growing DAY BY DAY .Scotland on the other hand has NO DEBT and is the ONLY part of the UK to have a trade surplus..OUR BUDGET BALANCES year on year,anything left over is used to mitigate the effects of Tory austerity...which has never been a necessity .only an IDEOLOGY .Now turn that situation to yourselves...if YOU had to hand over all your revenue to FRANCE ...Now how totally ridiculous is that???? Well it may surprise you but most of us feel the same.Add to the financial issues the LIES told before the last referendum and you might see some reason for our actions.As to the "NOISY DRUM BEATING NATS" yOU MAY BE VERY SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT THERE WAS NOT EVEN ONE probllem with public order during our campiagn ...NOT ONE.On the other hand the unionists who descended on Glasgow the night AFTER they"WON" burned flags and threatened passers by .We spoke of HOPE OVER FEAR ,by god the unionists certainly provided the fear.I hope most of you will try to find out some FACTS before putting on this nonsense in future.I'm afraid I had no idea this site was solely for little Englanders ..But hey with Brexit the true colours of most of you have been shown and its NOT a nice sight

Heartfelt there, paddyann.

Nichola Sturgeon is right; she was voted in by a big majority on the policy of independence. Anyone saying otherwise shows their ignorance of Scottish politics.

For you to laugh at.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2017/mar/14/martin-rowson-on-theresa-may-and-forging-brexit-consensus-cartoon#img-1

'Little Englanders'

Some posters are Scottish and some are Welsh
Some posters are Scottish and live in England or Wales

I did ask my Scottish friend today what he thought of Ms Sturgeon but his reply was unrepeatable on a public forum.

And many are Remain voters too!

But perhaps it is not best to feed the posts .....
Blinkered comes to mind

Hi paddyann - could you shout a bit louder please - I couldn't quite hear you down here in Yorkshire

And paddyann's sort of rant speaks volumes (bad pun intended) about the histrionic type of Scottish Nationalism which I do not share
Not in my name Nicola

Do you live in Scotland, MawBroon?

If Scotland want a second referendum, a third, a forth or a hundredth one in order to get the answer they want then it is up to them but they need to be told to pay for it themselves this time. The UK has already funded their 'once in a lifetime' Independence Referendum and it should not be asked to pay for more. There is a petition against a second referendum on the parliamentary website, if anyone is interested

Just a passing observation - I've often noticed that when one person believes they are showing conviction in expressing their views, that can often be interpreted as "ranting" by others who do not agree with those views.

Quite so, FarNorth!

Personally, I think it would be bonkers, but what would I know? I'm not a Scot and don't live in Scotland.

Looking at some of the comments on here, I'm not the slightest bit surprised that some Scots would want to be independent of their neighbours.

It's ironic that the same people can't see the irony of the crazy decision to leave the EU, for which they made similar irrational arguments.

Born and brought up DJ and can trace my Dad's family back to late 1600's.
But now living in what I still consider the United Kingdom. You can live anywhere in the world and still be proud to be a Scot.

Far North in my humble opinion, SHOUTY CAPITALS are a bit of a pointer towards a rant , whether one disagrees or agrees.

I didn't quite answer your question DJ.
At present I live in England, work brought us South many years ago, but my family and half of DH's family are Scottish, live in Scotland and as far as I know voted to stay in the United Kingdom.

Paddyann perhaps we got the notion that Scotland doesn't want independence from the fact that Scotland voted NO to it in the referendum last time round.Just a thought.

whatever gave you that idea rosesarered? ???

PADDYANN I voted no in the referendum as i dont want the UK broken up.I voted snp at the last general election,why ? because like hundreds of thousands of other Scots i understood that Labour were just not viable, the Tories never stand a cat in hells chance, the Liberals are a laughing stock and as for the rest we dont even know who they are, so that left the snp, we dont like them but there really was no other choice. Would we do it again ? Not a hope in hell's chance. The snp need to get that through their thick ego.

Maw Obvious but needs saying.

Paddyann, no problem with public order within the yes camp ! you really are deluded. I stood in Ayr and watched one of your lot F and blind at a old lady who said no thanks to the leaflet that one of your lot was trying to push into her hand. Dont lie

I like it MawBroon Not in my name Nicola

In the same way that half-facts, confused motivation and misunderstanding proliferated in the EU Referendum campaign (£350 million for the NHS, ban all immigrants, bring back the blue passport, no more Brussels with our turkey etc etc) and there was clear evidence of hearts ruling heads in many quarters, the SNP (IMHO) is still attempting to make capital out of the romanticism of "Braveheart" and "Scots Wha Hae" and its own version of what lies ahead.
From today's Telegraph

"A SEPARATE Scotland would face years outside the EU single market, it emerged yesterday, after Iceland warned Scotland could not start applying to join the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) until it was independent.
Icelandic Foreign Minister ­Gud­­lau­­gur Thor Thordarson said only sovereign states could be considered for membership under the organisation’s rules. He said this “complicates matters” for Scotland if it were to seek ­entry any earlier, such as the ­period between a Yes vote in a referendum and the point at which it actually left the United Kingdom.
His intervention confirms that a separate Scotland would start life outside both the UK and the EU single market. Theresa May yesterday told Prime Minister’s Questions that Scotland would be leaving the EU with or ­without independence.
It came after it was disclosed yesterday that Ms Sturgeon is considering announcing that Scotland would instead try to sign up to EFTA, three members of which are outside the EU but get single market access in return for complying with rules.
Senior Nationalist sources said an ­independent Scotland could decide whether it wanted to join the EU at a later date, perhaps after another referendum. It is thought the change would help woo the 400,000 Yes ­voters in the 2014 referendum who backed Leave last year.
SNP politicians yesterday continued to state that party policy was EU membership, but did not clarify whether an application would be made straightaway or after a period in EFTA"

IF (and it is still "if"and not "when") there is another Scottish Independence Referendum, I just hope that the full facts will be open to all and that those taking the decision do indeed vote with their heads.

ANOTHER reason Westminster want to hang onto Scotland?

I’ve extracted much of this from a blog titled ‘Scotland-England Electricity Transfers and The Perfect Storm’ posted on March 10, 2017 by Euan Mearns. His purpose is more complex and I think wider than mine here. He certainly knows and understands far more, technically, than I do. Part of it seems to be to expose massive problems with French Nuclear such as the fact that they had to shut down 20 of their 58 reactors because of safety concerns (the ‘Perfect Storm’]. I do sympathise with anti-Nuclear arguments but it’s not my purpose here which is to point up the strength of the Scottish economy including energy production, on the way to independence, thus my headline. Here’s how Euan opens his report:

‘In January this year [2017] a perfect storm gathered around European, UK and Scottish electricity supplies. But the lights stayed on, in the UK at least. This is the first of two posts on this topic. Here, I take a quick look at the electricity transfers between Scotland and England since this was the first big test for the system since the closure of the 2.4 GW Longannet Coal Power Station in March 2016.’

Returning to my theme, here’s what Euan had to say about Scotland – England Electricity Transfers as published by National Grid for January and February 2016 before the 2.4 GW Longannet coal fired power station in Scotland closed.

‘The key observations from January-February 2016 are:

Scotland was exporting electricity to England virtually all of the time.
There were 5 occasions when Scotland briefly imported a small amount that I would speculate is probably out of grid balancing convenience.
Maximum exports of 3.5 GW occurred at times of high wind and this effectively marks the de-rated capacity of inter-connectors between Scotland and England.’

Now it’s clear that Euan doesn’t think Scotland, post-Longannet, can continue to export power in the same way as in 2016. This is where we part. I’ve already posted a number of articles demonstrating massive current renewables-based over-production and evidence of imminent new projects to come online and ensure reliability regardless of onshore wind levels. Here are some:

‘Wind farms powered 4 million Scottish homes last month’ and there are only 2.4 million ‘households’ in Scotland

The potential for Scottish Wind Power is even greater than we thought. Could a single wind turbine power a whole Scottish city?

A second ‘biggest in the world’ for Scotland’s renewable energy sector

‘The Biggest in the World!’ 270 tidal energy turbines to be installed to provide sustainable power to Scotland

I think there is little doubt that Scotland, regardless of the Longannet shutdown, is or soon will be a massive over-producer of electricity.

euanmearns.com/scotland-england-electricity-transfers-and-the-perfect-storm/
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Perhaps the regions where the majority vote to no to independence could stay in the UK and the regions that vote yes to independence could.....well, be independent?
Just a thought.

Yes. Only 2 areas our of the whole of Scotland voted for independence last time : Dundee and Strathclyde. Wonder why??

Could a single wind turbine power a whole Scottish city?

I am not sure I am unerstanding your post correctly.

If I am, can you tell me where on earth you got this idea from?