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Open Britain - Hard Brexit

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Cindersdad Mon 13-Mar-17 16:38:14

The realities of what a hard Brexit could mean are beginning to collide with the breezy rhetoric of Leave campaigners. Already – before negotiations have even begun – totemic promises are being broken.

We were told there would be £350 million more a week for the NHS, but Leave campaigners are desperate to run away from this promise, and borrowing estimates have risen by £58bn thanks to Brexit.
We were told economic warnings were “scaremongering”, but prices have risen as the pound has fallen and car companies are speculating about shifting investment abroad.

We were told the EU would bend over backwards to give us the deal we want, but Ministers are now talking up the prospect of leaving with no deal at all.
And we were told our Union would be stronger, but today we see the SNP once again fostering grievance to threaten the break up of the UK.

We can’t let those who led the country down this road escape from the broken promises they made. Please share our graphic on Twitter and Facebook to hold them to account.

Thank you,

Pat McFadden MP
Leading Supporter,
Open Britain

The above was pasted from an Email received a hour or so ago - you can Google "Open Britain" if you feel strongly enough. I genuinely believe that Brexit could well unravel over the coming months as the truth strikes home. I will leave you to draw your own conclusions.

rosesarered Sat 18-Mar-17 11:53:49

The 'peoples will' is being used as a reminder to those who would like a re-run of last June's referendum that it won't be happening again, and that the majority vote won the day to leave the EU and we will shortly be leaving.

durhamjen Sat 18-Mar-17 12:19:41

What's wrong with having a rant on Gransnet?
If you think that's a problem, then stay off the politics threads. I don't have anyone to rant with at home, living on my own. I come on here to have conversations with like-minded people, those who care about politics. Anyone who doesn't like it is always welcome to play games. Lots of those on Gransnet.

durhamjen Sat 18-Mar-17 12:20:15

For anyone who wants to laugh at a Brexiteer,

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/03/watch-liam-fox-denies-sending-tweet-that-he-definitely-sent/

petra Sat 18-Mar-17 12:38:45

durhamjen There's more laughs to be had listening or reading about the angst that remainers are suffering.

rosesarered Sat 18-Mar-17 12:40:59

I wonder if counselling is available for them Petra wink

Ana Sat 18-Mar-17 12:44:49

Yes, that would give durhamjen somewhere to go to have a rant!

durhamjen Sat 18-Mar-17 12:49:34

I've got somewhere to go to have a rant, Ana. I'm quite happy ranting on GN.

So that's three of you who didn't look at Liam Fox being stupid and denying the tweet on the wall behind him.

Ana Sat 18-Mar-17 12:57:37

Probably many more who haven't looked, either.

Anyway, I thought you had lots of like-minded relatives milling around that you could let off steam to. Although I suppose you can't really just communicate with them via links, can you? grin

durhamjen Sat 18-Mar-17 13:19:07

This sort of trade doesn't get mentioned as far as Brexit is concerned.

www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/brexit-trade-fox-poorest/

petra Sat 18-Mar-17 13:37:40

durhamjen There was no need to open your link, it was in the Telegraph on 13 March Old news.

Welshwife Sat 18-Mar-17 13:43:26

May have been 'old news' but I had not seen it till I did open the link.

petra Sat 18-Mar-17 13:56:21

durhamjen This article 13.19.07 assumes that we will be implementing tariffs on goods from these poorest countries. Shall will just wait and see what happens.

whitewave Sat 18-Mar-17 14:05:05

Unclear how the age of news/information makes it less valid

petra Sat 18-Mar-17 14:30:41

Someone has just told me that Theresa May is planning a 'Brexit Day' OH how wonderful, I do love a street party.

M0nica Sat 18-Mar-17 14:33:12

Answering a query on the previous page. yes, there is a proposal for an EU army. There were also proposals at one time for straight banana and many other things that never materialised.

I voted 'remain' but accepted from Day 1 that the vote was for Brexit and I had absolutely no intention of being a 'remoaner'.

However, Brexit was voted for by the smallest of margins and when I hear politicians talking about Brexit as the 'will of the British people' I want to remind them that it is the will of only just over half the British people. Yes, Brexit won, but under those circumstances most governments would take into account the concerns of the very nearly equal number who voted 'remain' and try and to negotiate an agreement that the half that did not vote Brexit could also be happy with.

The EU authorities, should also bear that in mind.

Welshwife Sat 18-Mar-17 15:00:18

I think the EU are far more aware of that fact and that it should be considered than the current UK Govt are Monica.

daphnedill Sat 18-Mar-17 15:09:43

petra I'm sure Schadenfreude is treatable, but probably not on the NHS. You seem to revel in making spiteful comments.

daphnedill Sat 18-Mar-17 15:14:21

The "people's will" is being used as a meaningless soundbite to brainwash people into thinking that the government is behaving democratically. It seems to be working in some cases.

daphnedill Sat 18-Mar-17 15:15:21

Goebbels used the same phrase - in German, of course.

GillT57 Sat 18-Mar-17 16:09:20

'the will of the people' and 'the people have spoken' are meaningless, trite phrases trotted out by people who havent got a bloody idea what to do next. I do think that we can do something, and at least I know I will have tried, even if it is just writing to my MP ( a strong Brexit man), joining the Liberal Democrats, and griping/discussing with like minded people on GN. I like the feeling that I am not alone in my anger and despair at others lack of concern for what the immediate future holds. I never thought I would find myself saying it, but thank heavens for Michael Heseltine, he is starting to tell all about Mrs May and what a turncoat she is, and now that the silly woman has sacked him from his advisory position in the House of Lords, he has said he can now say what he wants without fear of the party whips. God, it is getting desperate when I am clinging to the likes of Heseltine, Major and Blair for hope of someone, anyone, telling it like it is and pointing out the sheer idiocy of careering towards Brexit.

petra Sat 18-Mar-17 16:17:50

daphnedill I will bear that advice in mind and share it with some other posters when I feel they need it.

rosesarered Sat 18-Mar-17 16:38:07

grin

MargaretX Sat 18-Mar-17 16:57:41

I had a post Brexit moment this week. I buy direct from M&S which delivers to Germany within 3 days. The last parcel didn't arrive so I rang them up and M&S said that it had probably got lost or stolen and I should order again.

This week it turned up, it had been via Jersey and that not being in the EU there was a customs charge to pay. 26 Euros.
I refused and presumably it will be sent back, but I realised that a lot of firms who deliver to the EU will be sending parcels with a customs duty to pay. Like going back to the 60s.

durhamjen Sat 18-Mar-17 22:11:37

Interesting, Margaret. I wonder if that is M&S getting round the tax rules.

durhamjen Sat 18-Mar-17 22:21:03

Is this the will of the people?

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/18/nhs-eu-nurses-quit-record-numbers