Open Britain - Hard Brexit

www.indy100.com/article/best-article-fifty-jokes-50-brexit-triggering-theresa-may-europe-donald-tusk-7655846

I cannot believe today has happened. That we have actually done something so momentous based on so little sense and initiated by a second-class politician who will go down in history as one of the most disastrous prime ministers we have been unfortunate to have suffered. It's no wonder those outside of the UK cannot understand what on earth we're doing. I can only apologise to my grandchildren.

My favourite joke from another paper - "How can you take back control if you were fooled by a bus?"

Also - "Well done Britain for shooting yourself in the foot. We'll shoot you in the other one."

Trying to cheer myself up, Badenkate. It's not working.

This doesn't work, either, but it's gratifying to see the number of Tory voters who say they will never vote Tory again.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/03/29/mays-article-50-statement-is-shredded-by-the-social-media/

Quite liked the foot joke! But more seriously despite all this the polls still suggest the Tories would destroy Labour in a GE. TM actually more popular that Corbyn among those who voted Labour last time!

Hey, even Jalima said she thought Corbyn was good on Andrew Neil's programme tonight.

I think May has missed her general election chance.

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2017/03/mays-article-50-statement-now-that-the-decision-has-been-made-to-leave-the-eu-it-is-time-to-come-together.html

These are people who are supposed to agree with her and vote Tory.

Barmy, isn't it, Fitzy?

Just goes to show how much voters are influenced by feelings rather than evidence.

even Jalima?
What am I supposed to read into that?

You just don't know me!!

And I said Jezza was 'reasonable and worth listening to' - not good!

Come on djen, I can't go that far

You said you were only going to say it once. I'll forgive you for repeating it, though.

Nice one TM. Not only are EU nationals to be bargaining chips, but it seems our security is also to be bargained over. Not even a veiled threat either, quite blatant. Who wrote that script?

Ha ha!

Something else to laugh at.

www.indy100.com/article/cartoonists-around-the-world-react-to-article-50-and-brexit-day-theresa-may-donald-tusk-7655851

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That inane grin of David Davies is really getting to me! And he's in charge of negotiations? Please tell me I've misread this and somebody else who might have a clue what he's doing is really going to head whoever it is that they've managed to scrape up to negotiate with the other 27 countries negotiators.

But we've made a good start by threatening them with withdrawing from the security set-up. That's the way Theresa, put the boot in - always helps in getting the best out of situations.

What idiots we must look

Not at all, it may have been a good bargaining tool to make sure the EU leaders take on board the fact that UK intelligence gathering is the best ( which apparently, it is.)
Would posters prefer us to roll over and be kicked before we even start?

No roses I would prefer that something as important as international security is not used as a bargaining chip in any Brexit negotiations. There are things you bargain with, and things you don't - and the first rule of negotiating is that you don't make threats you aren't willing to carry out.

Perhaps we are willing to carry them out?
It's our own intelligence services that are superior to anything in Europe after all.
There will be lots of bluff and counter bluff before the end of it all from both sides.
I think it's more a reminder to the EU than anything else.

These are negotiations - not a challenge to a duel at dawn!

So you're saying that if we discovered that there was a plot to create extreme loss of life in a European city after we leave the EU, then we would be justified in not informing that country because as part of our negotiations we had removed the co-operation of our intelligence services from the rest of the EU? Is that actually what you are saying? That you could live in a society that would be prepared to do that?

It is a unfortunate fact but the EU is in a better bargaining position than the UK. It was clear from the beginning of this process that the rules - set by a Brit - favoured the EU and they are the larger stronger group.

Threatening co- operation with security is a bit naff to say the least. While it may well be true that at the moment our security is some of the best it is also true to say that even the best is improved by co- operation with other good allies. The same goes for Policing - co-operation improves detection rates. It would be foolish to cut off our nose when we are causing the rift. We need to have a conciliatory helpful attitude with these negotiations if we are to get a deal which is reasonable at least for the UK - a Gung Ho colonial attitude will not do UK any favours.

...but it will be on EU terms!

Exactly - but still not believed by all!