Open Britain - Hard Brexit

The EU asserts it's authority, we make unreasonable demands!!!!

Re Article 127, that is my understanding of it too ww. We are involved in two different agreements each with its own exiting procedures. We must apply to leave the European Economic Area (EEA) – and thus the single market – separately to leaving the EU itself. Article 127 sets out that procedure. So leaving the EU doesn't necessarily mean leaving the EEA. It requires a 12 month notice period. What I'm not sure of is whether the triggering of exit from the EEA would subsequently require an act of Parliament ratified by MPs and therefore whether MPs could at that stage vote against leaving and block it at that juncture.

Interesting. If we were able to remain in the EEA the impact of Brexit would be far less dramatic. Anyone know?

Other way round. We made unreasonable demands first.
27-1, they can assert their authority because they have it.
We are begging now for what we want. If the EU decide not to give it to us, we lose.
44% of our exports go to EU countries. They can make life quite uncomfortable for us, and it's your fault.

Ginny, hopefully people will have realised that they don't want to leave altogether and want to stay in EEA.

The eu asserts it's authority.
I don't know why but the Kenny Rogers song The Gambler springs to mind.
You got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run.
I hope we have some poker players in the negotiating team.

Of course, staying in the EEA carries its own costs ?. Norway for example pays as much per capita as we pay into the EU, and there is some freedom of movement of labour. I'm sorry, but since we are now clearly leaving and there's nothing to be done about it - it is quite fascinating to see more and more problem areas appearing!

We could start thinking about Gibraltar as well.....

Well dj you hate this country so much surely you must be rubbing your hands in glee to see it potentially reduced to beggery!

and it's your fault Are you getting a little rattled durhamjen

You don't have to hate a country to be dismayed at its self destructive actions do you? I think we are making a huge mistake, but that doesn't mean I hate this country does it? Sure
It means I care, it's those who are steering us off the cliff edge who don't care as it won't make any real difference to them .

Yes, it's already in the press about Gib. The Scotsman today said this:

A key clause in the European Council response to Article 50 has given warning that the EU is minded to side with Spain regarding ‘The Rock’. A leaked draft of that said that no agreement on the EU’s future relationship with the UK would apply to Gibraltar without the express consent of the Government in Madrid.

Of course the population of Gibraltar voted 100% to stay I think. Nothing can happen there I would have thought without Spains consent.

On the contrary, nn.Far from rubbing their hands with glee most Remainers (and I'm sure dj is among them) are rigid with horror at the thought of the UK (or what's left of it) being reduced to penury.

On another point, the fact of the UK/Germany defence pact was being questioned here or on the other thread. It's been well covered in the media:
www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=UK+signs+defence+pact+with+Germany&*

It makes one wonder just what the UK government is up to...

Yes niggly that made me laugh too ( the EU asserts it's authority) while we make 'unreasonable demands'....

Reduced to penury my foot!

96% Remain 800 people voted to leave
I kept asking 'what about Gibraltar' but it fell on deaf ears

I hope someone is listening now.

We can only make demands and cannot exert our authority. We simply cannot call the shots. We have already recognised the stupidity of our first communication. Time to grow up methinks.

Please understand that we don't hate this country nn. If we didn't care what happens to it, you wouldn't hear a peep from us. It's because we care very much that we challenge the wisdom of this whole exit scenario.

We are very concerned indeed about it's future. I can accept that you care, please accept that I care also.

This is the key point. Those of us who are truly appalled at the prospect of a diminished future for our couhtry because of the madness of brexit, are the patriotic people, who hoped that our children and grandchildren might have all the oportunities which are being taken away from them. Why?. Because of the power of corrupt politicians and thd influence of dishonest press barons.

I'm not suggesting that others hate this country, but dj has expressed this view on a number of occasions and my comment is directed solely at her.
As for Gibraltar, The people of that outpost want nothing to do with Spain. The treaty of Utrecht 1713 ceded Gibraltar in perpetuity to the British Crown unless the people of Gibraltar wish to sever this arrangement, in which case Spain would have first refusal to re claim the rock. The people of Gibraltar would rather commit mass suicide than be returned to Spain. Spain has made no end of trouble for the people of Gibraltar over the years and no doubt will continue to do so. If the EU wants to support Spain's claim to Gibraltar perhaps they should read the treaty. But of course the E.U does have a habit of putting its own interpretation on treaties, remember Greece! One of the reasons some of us want to leave.

I think that Spain should put its own house in order with regard to Ceuta and Melilla.
As the saying goes - 'people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones'

Still can't get the 'rigid with horror' picture out of my head...

Exactly Jalima, as you say, people in glass houses! Perhaps someone will point this out to Spain!!!

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/03/merkel-ally-i-dont-care-about-london-anymore/

Excited to see May and Abdullah are hoping to ensure that there are sufficient arms to continue with the excellent job SA is making of the starvation and suffering if children in the Yemen.

As the Brexiters are keen to stress "we will be able to go out into the entire world and get trade"

Going well isnt it?