Open Britain - Hard Brexit

Cindersdad Absolutely no support from me with your biased rhetoric. Accept it, the people voted and asked to leave, whether or not you or anyone else agrees, that's the way it is and leave we shall. As to the Leave campaigners 'promising' £350 million to the NHS per week, I can honestly say I personally never heard a promise, only that there would be an extra £350 million available which could go to the NHS, for an MP you seem so blinkered no wonder this country is in trouble with people like you at the helm!

Sorry for the rant everybody but I just feel strongly that both sides have continually made misleading statements both during and after the campaign, and Britain made up it's mind to leave. Our only hope is that the powers that be will negotiate and obtain the best deal for us on leaving, there are bound to be some parts we personally disagree with but you can't please everybody. I just think it's time to get on with it, the longer the dealy the more difficult it could become.

Maizied Of course jumping off a cliff isn't a challenge. It is a false metaphor. We are leaving a protectionist trading bloc and political union. Using clichéd and wrongly applied analogies infantilises debate.
Why the personal abuse? I was simply correcting people who said that Leave voters are getting no insults (as you seem keen to disprove with your own words) with an example that people could refer to if they really wanted the truth. There has been unpleasantness from both sides but it seems more universal from Remain. There is no Brown Owl bossiness. Just an opinion you disagree with. It is allowed.

I don't think the Brexiteers particularly wanted to get rid of Europeans. What we did want was control over immigration. Under EU rules our government have been unable to deport the many undesirables/terrorists and anti British asylum seekers and illegal immigrants. The remainers are more concerned with money, it would seem to me. The open door policy that Angela Merkel created has caused most of the discontent felt both here and in other EU countries who are also likely to quit.

Badenkate
Yes we were indeed in a mess in the 1970s - we had the most incompetent, inept Union led Labour regime of of all times - SO FAR. When I listen to Corbyn's mouthings I think he could be a lot worse. When I went into hospital to have my son in 1977 I was treated for malnutrition! The workers were made to pay more and more for the shirkers. The local lady of the night had four children all by different fathers and got everything free from school uniforms to free school trips. I think many people have forgotten how awful it was for working families.
I hereby confess that I voted Labour from 1964 to 1977 but by 1979 I had had enough and dumped Labour never to return.

How is Brexit going to fix your scenario minni?

Got it in one Hollycat.

I am a remainer, but the referendum took place and we lost. The best we can all do is be as active as possible to make sure that the landing is advantageous as possible.

Personally, I have begun to think that the best strategy is just to walk away as soon as possible, say in the next three months, and forget any deal, ie hard Brexit, because I think that will do far less harm to the country than spinning the negotiations out over several years and then getting a hard Brexit.

Brexit is going to cost this country jobs and growth but the sooner it happens the sooner the worst is over. I hope Brexiteers will be the first to volunteer for redundancy when the crunch comes.

No thank you. We all voted and the result cannot now be changed. Theresa May, who wanted to Remain, is now doing the job she has to do. Let's all get behind her and unite. It was bad enough in the EU, it will surely be better out if it. All the best Theresa!

Most of you on here should remember a time before the EC as it was. We traded with many parts of the world. The EC has changed beyond recognition into the EU. If you read the history of what Germany wanted over the last hundred odd years it will tell you it wanted a united Europe.
Parts of the commonwealth nearly went bust when we joined the EC but they are keen to trade again with us.
I think we will do very well outside Europe and it's about time all those wallowing in their regrets backed what will happen over the next two years.

I listened to You and Yours today as I was driving home from town - it was a phone-in about Brexit and how people have been affected by it.

They had two respected and erudite economists with totally opposing views, both very convincing. So - how is the person in the street to know which to believe?

The members of the public who rang in, mostly business people, were equally convincing in their disparate views and the reasons for them.

The vote went for leave, and we have to just suck it up and get on with life.

I am so depressed about Brexit that I can hardly bear it, I have stopped looking at the news and newspapers for the first time ever in my life.

Today's You and Yours (Radio 4) quoted people complaining about the media being left-wing, and 'why don't the media say anything positive about Brexit', the answer is there was almost never anything positive about Brexit and now the future is a black hole, it gets worse by the day.

The second comment I heard, quoted people asking tartly 'why EU citizens didn't apply for UK citizenship'. Modern Britain, a nation riven by harshness and lack of compassion, xenophobia, racism, delusions of grandeur, hateful insularity and rampant stupidity. My children have gone to New Zealand, I hope they stay there and if I could follow them I would. I now hate the country I live in.

As for those thinking that we can somehow recreate the old Commonwealth, it just makes me laugh, so very British, harking back to the days of the pink map, except I'm afraid the world has moved on and we have nothing left to sell.

Successive Tory governments have destroyed our industry (that nasty woman Thatcher destroyed the mining industry) and our young people think they're great but refuse to do anything other than the cream of jobs, meanwhile the service industries and employment in agriculture and hospitality are almost totally staffed by people from other EU countries. Where will the staff come from once Brexit hits? They're leaving already.

Never mind, you merry Daily Mail, Daily Express, Daily Telegraph and Sun readers, have fun believing the lies you are being peddled and good luck with your delusions once Brexit really bites.

Azie09 A lot of us hate the country we live in which is why we voted brexit. I also remember times before EC and I certainly didn't vote for how it has become. Those were the days when you could get your child into the local school, get a same day appointment at the doctors etc could rabbit on a lot longer lol

We voted out and out we go. Anyone who pretends that they can forecast ANYTHING is barking mad. I am relieved to be leaving, the bigger it gets (EU) the more unweildly) smaller is better for so may things. We are a small country and can't keep on taking on needy people and other burdens imposed upon us.

The whole world is having to re address the way banking operates and will have to face radical changes to survive what is to come. Robots are replacing people in industries, not so many people needed, wars, pestilence, diseases, who can pretend to be able to forsee how any of that will pan out?

We can only negotiate for what we want and get the best deal, or walk away as in any other deal, we can't come up with a recipe for success when there are so many imponderables to sort through.

The EU is going to hell in a handcart. One ride I hope to spare myself and my kids.

As for 'history' that shyster re tells itself at every turn......look at the Vikings pilloried when I was at school and now sensitive craftsmen. No one ever knows the full truth about anything just a global sort of snapshot on any given day.

Hear, hear radical.
Was anyone really believe that the £350m was going to stay for the NHS? Oh, come on!
The EU will never become the United states of Europe. the peoples are too disparate.
On the other hand, we can only hope that negotiations will be for the best. Already Junker and Tusk are making nice noises to us. Why oh why didn't they do it before the vote? Idiots.
Ah well. Let's just pray that things will improve after the initial hardship; which was inevitable either way incidentally.

Did anyone

read through these and you'll soon see why the young of the country blame all the oldies for selling them down the river....tunnel vision,yearning for a country that never really existed ,telling us that Scotland leaving its "biggest trading partner will be a massive mistake " while telling us that leaving Europe "our biggest trading partner is going to be GREAT" Whatever you lot are taking I want some...old age certainly has advantages..eh...dreamers one and all Geography tells us its Scotlands oil...why else did Blair and Dewar collude over moving coastal borders before devolution and we would without any doubt be supported IF we want that thousands of miles of sea...our coastal waters ...returned to us

'You and Yours' was about this topic today and they had a phone in where many of the contributors were very happy with the way things were going. It will be fine.

Well said Minismum. Wasn't this when Labour was supporting strikes refuse flooding the streets and Hospitals not taking in patients. My Dad had a stroke and our GP told us Hospital did not have room for him. He died three days later at home. We all remember what suits us.

There has never been a nasty Labour Government then AE09? You forget the 70's then.

Errmmm...some people did believe it grandMattie. I heard them in interviews before the referendum and read their comments online - unless they were all trolls trying to persuade people of the lie.

They believed a load of other rubbish too. The search facility on GN is rubbish, but if you look long enough, you'll even find some of it on here.

Oh heavens, they have all come out of the woodwork, I now know how the brexit vote happened. Such wild optimism, harking back to the good old days when you could see a GP, and no doubt buy a bag of chips for sixpence and everyone knew their place. I truly despair.

yaiyai Why do you hate the country you live in? 'Hate' is a very string word. A country is made up of people.Do you hate your fellow citizens? How exactly do you think that leaving the EU is going to turn the country (the people) into something you can love?

It sounds like pie in the sky to me.

paddyann Please read the whole thread, there are actually a lot of remainers on this thread, the out supporters came to it late.

Azie09, If we had a coal industry what would be doing with all the coal we would be digging up? It is far too polluting to be used for power generation, that is why nearly all our coal fired power stations have closed down. No-one uses coal to heat their house. Coal industries have and are closing down in almost every country in the world, except for a few who can produce low-sulphur coal, which the UK couldn't.and their markets are getting smaller.

And Harold Wilson closed more coal mines than Margaret Thatcher.

We're going to have spinsters cycling to church in the morning mist soon - and even John Major is anti-Brexit.