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The Netherlands fights back against populism

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varian Thu 16-Mar-17 18:44:02

I was hugely relieved to see that voters in the Netherlands had not gone down the right wing populist path of Brexit and Trump. They have rejected Geert Wilders which means, I hope, that the EU stands strong. If only we had been so responsible and had not condemned ourselves to be left out in the cold.

whitewave Thu 16-Mar-17 18:58:11

We are a prime example of where populism leads us. Up the creek etc.

Rinouchka Thu 16-Mar-17 19:03:22

Woke up this morning in France and heard the news at dawn. Wilders has gained 4 seats but nonetheless the wonderful, tolerant and rational Dutch have held on to their principles. Respect and admiration!

Rigby46 Thu 16-Mar-17 19:27:44

Humm - wonder why so few posts - I expect there's a lot of disappointed 'righties' on GN.

MawBroon Thu 16-Mar-17 19:29:14

One of the few bits of good news out these days!
Thank goodness somebody is seeing sense.

daphnedill Thu 16-Mar-17 19:44:21

Fingers crossed that France will reject Le Pen. The opinion polls predict that Macron will be the winner after the second round of voting.

Merkel is still slightly ahead in the German opinion polls. I guarantee that either she or Martin Schulz will be Chancellor after the September elections. It's still uncertain who the coalition parties will be. If the Greens do well, they could be part of a coalition along with the centrist FDP. The CDU and SPD will not want to form a coalition together,although Merkel's 2005-2009 government was a CDU/SPD coalition. It shows how different politics in Germany (and Holland) when the two main parties can work together. UK politics is too confrontational for the Conservatives and Labour to work together. The liberal FDP has hardly ever been out of government since the end of WW2.

The most likely scenario is that both France and Germany will have left/centre governments. Canada could have an increasingly important role with the EU.

Whatever happens, the EU will be stronger and the UK is going to find itself increasingly irrelevant. Don't let go of your lifebelt!

Christinefrance Thu 16-Mar-17 19:48:27

Yes definitely good news from the Netherlands, let's hope it augurs well for France and Le Penn loses ground.

rosesarered Thu 16-Mar-17 19:51:52

Most countries want middle of the road/centre type politics, so it's not surprising really, France will most likely not go extreme right wing in the elections either.

rosesarered Thu 16-Mar-17 19:53:23

I don't think it means the EU will be stronger at all, just that it won't fall apart just at the moment.

Ana Thu 16-Mar-17 19:55:04

Blimey Rigby, the thread's only been up for an hour! How many posts to you expect? This isn't MN...

rosesarered Thu 16-Mar-17 19:56:37

....and we can't be on GN all day either! grin

daphnedill Thu 16-Mar-17 20:11:17

rigby There have been a number of comments on GN about the EU falling apart, especially after the Dutch, French and German elections. Well, it's one down - the German election won't produce an anti-EU government and it's not looking good for Le Pen. Never mind! I'm sure they'll suck it up.

daphnedill Thu 16-Mar-17 20:12:52

Aha! Another evidence-free rosesareredism, projecting your wishes on other people.

daphnedill Thu 16-Mar-17 20:15:56

Christine All the polls are predicting that Le Pen will narrowly win the first round,but without an overall majority. This will almost certainly be followed by a second round with Le Pen and Macron. Even if Fillon makes it to the second round (unlikely), the polls predict that the candidate who isn't Le Pen will win.

Unless you know differently...

LumpySpacedPrincess Thu 16-Mar-17 20:29:37

Thank goodness, I don't think I could take another depressing election result.

rosesarered Thu 16-Mar-17 20:41:33

.....another piece of daphnedil unpleasant comment more like.This is an opinion forum, so which bit of my post do you have a problem with this time I wonder, hmmm?

thatbags Thu 16-Mar-17 20:45:02

I wonder if the media bigged up Wilders more than support for him warranted and that the Dutch election results simply show reality, i.e. that there was never a huge amount of support for his politics?

rosesarered Thu 16-Mar-17 20:47:10

I think you are right thatbags as probably happened with UKIP here.

Rinouchka Thu 16-Mar-17 20:54:35

Regarding the French elections, the polls may not be reliable. Here in SW France, many younger Socialist voters are disillusioned with their party, hate Marine Le Pen, detest Fillon, and dislike Macron because they see him as a traitor. Many of the people we know will vote for Jean- Luc Mélenchon in the first round, then spoil their ballot in the second round. Their intention is to prevent either of the second round candidates from getting the majority( 51 % of votes cast).

Christinefrance Thu 16-Mar-17 21:49:28

That's my understanding daphnedil but things can be unpredictable. Hadn't heard about the spoiling of ballot papers Rinouchka, interesting.

durhamjen Thu 16-Mar-17 23:03:15

For anyone who wants to thank the Dutch.

Jalima Thu 16-Mar-17 23:14:27

I expect there's a lot of disappointed 'righties' on GN.
I shouldn't think there are a lot who would support Wilders shock
If any!

You could still be right of centre but not agree with anything at all that he says.

Jalima Thu 16-Mar-17 23:19:12

Regarding the French elections, the polls may not be reliable.
Rinouchka the polls have proved less than reliable here too - in fact I am wondering what is the point of them.

I think thatbags could be right, there has been rather a media frenzy over him. He is quite noticeable and controversial politicians do attract attention.

There has been a lot going on in the Netherlands too, with the Turkish problems and the Dutch have probably decided that safe and steady is the best course.

Jalima Thu 16-Mar-17 23:21:21

why so few posts grin in that 19 minutes perhaps people were:
eating dinner?
washing up?
even having a wine?

Jalima Thu 16-Mar-17 23:22:43

or watching the news?

There, that's four more posts smile