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Martin McGuinness

(161 Posts)
merlotgran Tue 21-Mar-17 10:01:08

Whatever part he played in the Peace Process, I will remember him more for the part he played in the IRA atrocities.

No RIP from me, I'm afraid.

Teetime Tue 21-Mar-17 10:03:52

I'm with you Merlotgran and strangely for me Norman Tebbitt.

Rigby46 Tue 21-Mar-17 10:16:53

If only it could be perceived in such simplistic back and white terms. Have you no sense of Irish history?

KatyK Tue 21-Mar-17 10:19:39

I have a sense of Irish history. My parents were from Southern Ireland and I have learned/read a lot about it. I still have no time for terrorists.

rosesarered Tue 21-Mar-17 10:21:46

Agree with you Merlotgran and KatyK no RIP from me either.

Ceesnan Tue 21-Mar-17 10:24:56

With you 100% Merlotgran hope he rots in Hell. My brother would still be alive if it wasn't for the likes of this excuse for a human being.

Stansgran Tue 21-Mar-17 10:29:15

Cheered me up no end. I do hope he is doing some explaining.

Rigby46 Tue 21-Mar-17 10:29:16

How lucky that there were no innocent deaths on the other side.

Anniebach Tue 21-Mar-17 10:38:10

I was sorry to learn of his death


Ceesnan Tue 21-Mar-17 10:41:46

Looking at comments on various websites and online media it seems that the majority of people who exptressed an opinion are delighted by his death.

Coolgran65 Tue 21-Mar-17 10:45:17

A terrorist and the Commander of an organisation that caused my dh who was in the wrong place at the wrong time to be in hospital for many months and off work for a very long time.

I was waiting after work at a bus stop when the shop I was standing outside exploded and I was showered with glass and debris, later claimed by his organization. Miraculously I was physically only scratched. Although traumatised and probably because of shock, I didn't wait on the emergency services and walked (in shock) the 8 miles home on a dark winter night in the icy rain as all public transport was halted.

Yes, there was the Peace Process...... there was also what went before.

TerriBull Tue 21-Mar-17 10:57:09

I feel ambiguous about Martin McGuinness's death, on one hand I agree with you Merlotgran. However, I always had sympathies with the injustices the Catholics in Northern Ireland suffered, having been brought up a Catholic and with one half Irish grandparent it was hard not to. However, random killings in the name of a cause can never be justified, never. I agree with KatyK "I have no time for terrorists" there has to be another way. Working in London through the '70s and '80s I can remember that ever present fear of where the next bomb might be and ultimately my sympathies are greater for all those who lost their lives at the hands of either side, rather than the Catholic cause. However, I'm not delighted by his death becuase ultimately he worked to bring about peace.

nigglynellie Tue 21-Mar-17 10:58:34

This is a difficult one for me. The troubles were appalling, and I hear all you say. When I think of Tim Parry and Jonathon Ball, Jean (surname I can't remember) Captain Niarak (spelling?) and countless others who were murdered in NI, my instincts are good riddance, BUT, he was instrumental in the peace process which would have faile(d without his rather strange rapport with Ian Paisley! So I think good overcame evil on all fronts, and I hope that he finds peace with God. (if he exists!!!)

Rigby46 Tue 21-Mar-17 11:08:43

Coolgran - what went before included centuries of appalling injustice and atrocities against Catholics. I'm sorry you had direct experience but there were many like you on both sides. Terri and niggly - very thoughtful and measured posts.
Mandela was called a terrorist by some Conservatives and yet where would SA be without him?

rosesarered Tue 21-Mar-17 11:15:34

All Catholics did not support the IRA and their awful regime.NI wanted, and still wants to stay as part of the UK and not a united Ireland.
If the IRA had not existed and been murderously active, then there would have been no need for any defence force to act against them or indeed, a peace process.

Anniebach Tue 21-Mar-17 11:15:49

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

. If we are remembering the innocents who died st the hands of the IRA let us remember the innocents who died during the pots to famine at the hands of English landowners and the innocents gunned down on Bloody Sunday.

gillybob Tue 21-Mar-17 11:17:14

The man was a murderer so can't feel sad at hearing about his death. I wonder if he ever spared a thought for those he murdrered /had murdered?

rosesarered Tue 21-Mar-17 11:17:47

I grew up in a family of Irish ancestry Catholics, and none of them had any time for the IRA and it's leaders.

gillybob Tue 21-Mar-17 11:18:56

Not sure there is much explaining to do in Hell Stansgran I think it's probably a place that anyone can get into no matter what.

gillybob Tue 21-Mar-17 11:20:16

My late Grandma was an Irish Catholic. Thrown out of the church for marrying the love of her life but welcomed back with open arms after my dear grandfathers death. Good of them eh?

rosesarered Tue 21-Mar-17 11:20:48

Although we cannot forget old history, there was no famine or brutal landowners in the 1960's and 70's.
It was a political organisation, that wanted to acheive it's own ends.

paddyann Tue 21-Mar-17 11:23:25

like all wars and the "troubles" were war there were TWO sides who caused it,and then there was the UK government ...maybe without the soldiers and the tanks it would have been sorted much quicker ,government intervention certainly didn't appease people .My family were Irish and as Rigby46 says the treatment of catholics in the 6 counties was appalling.It was about civil rights for the catholic population and if they had had any support from the UK government way back in the beginning it wouldn't have escalated as it did.Look south of the Irish border where catholics and protestants have lived side by side since partition with no problems .Mr McGuinness may have done wron in his many on all sides did,but he worked hard to get peace and we should give him credit for that

gillybob Tue 21-Mar-17 11:25:09

In my opinion, He will go down in history as the man that he was. A murderer.

Greyduster Tue 21-Mar-17 11:29:34

I just wrote a long vitriolic post - and then wiped it. We spent nearly three years in Northern Ireland from 1972, and lost friends and colleagues. McGuiness and his compatriots have more blood on their hands than they will want to admit to when they have to meet their maker, but no doubt God will forgive them. It's in his job description after all. I'm still struggling with whether I can.

KatyK Tue 21-Mar-17 11:35:02

I agree that innocents on both sides should be remembered. There were terrible atrocities on both sides over the years. I have visited a famine graveyeard in Ireland - a field of grass where the bodies were just thrown in. It was the saddest thing. However, I agree with Terribull there has to be another way. In the end talking won the day I suppose.