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May or Sturgeon?

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trisher Wed 22-Mar-17 10:25:06

Ok the question is which is the better politician?
I'm going for Sturgeon. I find her a better speaker, she seems more sincere and more able to withstand questioning.
May sometimes looks like a rabbit in the headlights (I know I'm the leader but what do they want me to say ?)
Occasionally comes across as the Head girl (You must do what the Headmaster wants-it is his school)
And sometimes just seems to be a bit lost and needs her notes.
I know many of you will say it is my political views that have influenced my choice and you may be right. But let me know who you prefer.
Oh and completely un PC but quite fun I think Sturgeon has the better outfits!

Riverwalk Wed 22-Mar-17 15:05:03

POGS nothing wrong - I was responding to a poster who queried why The Times doesn't query the cost of male MPs clothing.

POGS Wed 22-Mar-17 14:58:44

Riverwalk

What is wrong with our female ' politicians ' doing photo shoots for Vogue?

Riverwalk Wed 22-Mar-17 14:39:44

And most male politicians wouldn't do a fashion-shoot for Vogue.

paddyann Wed 22-Mar-17 14:39:38

people have come to expect different things from MP's espcially party leaders,back in the day it mattered not a jot that McMillan or Wilson wore badly fitting suits etc or that they weren't brilliant in front of a TV camera .When Gordon Brown was around all I remember reading was his inability to "connect" with his media style and his dress sense .Nicola Sturgeon is young by comparison to Teresa May .of course they'll have different styles ,in clothes and presentation.The one thing they cant change is their nature .I am a supporter of Ms Sturgeon and her compassion for others is apparent in her attitudes on and off screen.Her clothes are made by a company local to Holyrood so she is supporting Scottish business Theresa May ,well I dont know if she can even SPELL compassion..she certainly doesn't have any.Not for the sick,the elderly ,the disabled etc etc etc.Wouldn't expect anything else from a tory though.

bookdreamer Wed 22-Mar-17 14:37:05

What does annoy me though is the comments on Teresa mays clothes. In the Times each garment was accompanied with the appropriate cost of it.

They never do that to what male politicians are wearing

trisher Wed 22-Mar-17 14:36:29

MawBroon Do you suppose those teenagers are now going "Caw, Miss really was ahead of her time" ?

Riverwalk Wed 22-Mar-17 14:24:34

You might not give a hoot Lazigirl but TM & NS obviously do.

No politician is forced to wear gaudy, bright boxy suits (NS) or lounge around in leather trousers and Vivienne Westwood (TM) but they choose to do so.

Mo Mowlam, Claire Short and Anne Widdecombe didn't have make-overs when MPs.

Lazigirl Wed 22-Mar-17 14:09:56

I personally don't give a hoot what clothing, make up or hairstyle political leaders have, it's the substance rather than style that should count, but not in our superficial age apparently.

trisher Wed 22-Mar-17 13:52:02

Just occurred to me that if Sturgeon is a terrier (won't let go of things, good ratter) May is one of those aristocratic dogs (Afghan, Borzoi?) that has to be kept on a lead because when let off it will chase anything that moves and never come back to its owner!

Riverwalk Wed 22-Mar-17 13:50:56

For the reasons I mentioned Lazigirl.

I didn't say all female MPs, just the two in question who seem to take a particular pride in how they look.

Much has been made of Corbyn's scruffy appearance, Bozzer's hair, and Farage's Arthur Daley look, etc.

MawBroon Wed 22-Mar-17 13:50:49

Begging his pardon
SEAN Spicer

MawBroon Wed 22-Mar-17 13:46:25

For cutting edge chic however we have to applaud the Shane Spicer "odd shoe" look! (One black brogue, or brown) Apparently it is massively "on trend" hmm
Who would have thought I was such a fashionista when I made exactly that fashion statement many years ago and had to face classes of sniggering teenagers? confused

Ilovecheese Wed 22-Mar-17 13:29:12

If we're talking about good outfits it has to be Leanne Wood

Lazigirl Wed 22-Mar-17 13:27:03

Why are comments on female MP's clothes "fair game" Riverwalk?

trisher Wed 22-Mar-17 12:31:10

Good to get things out Badenkate and isn't it fun!!!

Badenkate Wed 22-Mar-17 12:26:44

May always reminds me of the school head girl as well. I also feel she could have been the nasty spiteful one who led the gang - she certainly gives all the signs of being a control freak (takes one to know one). I don't know where the idea of her being tough and fair comes from, you just have to look at her past record as Home Secretary to know the only ones who actually suffered from her toughness were the police who had to accept the derisory pay increases because they had no option, but she had no success whatsoever in cutting immigration numbers - not from the EU where her hands were tied to a large extent - but from outside the EU where you would have thought she would have had the upper hand. Then when she was elected leader she said she would have concern for all in society - well, there are a lot of people who are much worse off now than they were a year ago but she doesn't seem to care much about them.

Nicola Sturgeon I really didn't like at the beginning, but I think to a large extent this was a carry over from Alex Salmond who really made me cringe. I now don't dislike her as much because sometimes what she says makes a lot of sense. So I guess I feel less negatively about Sturgeon than May hmm.

I don't know who does Nicola Sturgeon's makeup, but I think she should get rid of them - sometimes she's even more orange than Trump! Clotheswise, Sturgeon always wears the same style so she's clearly very proud of her figure. I don't think she's very tall so I guess she has to be a bit careful what she wears. May, on the other hand, is clearly very tall and does what I know I do - stoops: a real problem with tall women. Some of her clothes look good, but I really don't like that colour block long jacket she wears. She also is clearly very proud of her legs because all her dresses and skirts are well above her knees - good luck to her, I wish my legs were as good as hers.

Gosh, I've enjoyed that. I rarely am catty and it is quite fun. Thanks Trisher I've let my inner-cat out. Now it's going back in!

Jane10 Wed 22-Mar-17 12:20:02

Ruth Davidson is terrific! I loved her comment about Sturgeons attitude being 'a big Tory did it and ran away!'.

Riverwalk Wed 22-Mar-17 12:17:55

Comments on both May's and Sturgeon's clothes are fair game.

NS has obviously had a serious make-over in the past couple of years, including going from brunette to blonde, and TM has just posed for Vogue!

Lazigirl Wed 22-Mar-17 12:10:25

I think it's inevitable, but a shame in this day and age that women politicians of all political parties have to be so closely scrutinised and critiqued by the fashion police. It doesn't happen to the men in the same way, and it's a difficult enough path for female politicians anyway. I am also disappointed that the Labour Party seem unable to elect a strong female leader, as there are definitely some who could fill the post. I wonder if something in the Party culture prevents this? As for May and Sturgeon I find them both credible leaders.

trisher Wed 22-Mar-17 12:08:34

Start your own thread Cherrytree59 and don't hi-jack mine.

Cherrytree59 Wed 22-Mar-17 12:07:07

Re outfits trisher who do you think won the best dressed man?
Alex Salmond or David Cameron?
You can add Jeremy Corbyn in to the mix if you so wishsmile

nigglynellie Wed 22-Mar-17 12:02:22

It didn't prove anything of the sort. The manifesto promise was about to be broken and she, very sensibly recognised that and put it right, as she should!

nigglynellie Wed 22-Mar-17 11:59:07

I wouldn't have thought so, but maybe there are those who hold great store by it!!!!!!

daphnedill Wed 22-Mar-17 11:58:53

May is weak. The budget U-turn proved that. She caved in to pressure from her back benchers and the media.

POGS Wed 22-Mar-17 11:44:33

" No one on the outfits?"

Yes, they are 'both' very smart, professionally dressed women who display an understanding of the need their position demands.

I dare say they are 'both' sensible enough and mature enough not to let silly criticisms get them down if any come in their direction.

Do most people really care about their shoes , trousers etc?