Anti-Brexit march tomorrow WILL go ahead

If the vote had gone the other way I would have no objection to "Leavers" organising marches, petitions, or any other sort of protest. They could also carry on telling all the porkies and misinformation they have used in the past. The only reason I can think of for their violent objections to this march is that they realise there has been a huge cock-up.

Many disagree with the March because they respect the outcome of the referendum ,

I accept the outcome of the referendum. It was a small majority of voters. The marchers want to show that many of us don't wish to roll over and accept whatever dogs breakfast the government wants to serve up in the guise of Brexit. The referendum doesn't just give the unelected government carte blanche to do as it wishes. I can't think why those who support democracy object to peaceful protest.

It is not an unelected government

I'm sure there is a subtle difference between 'repecting' and 'accepting'. I don't think you have to find a majority decision worthy of respect even though you might accept it.

Whatever impressive sounding phrase the right wing media and the pro Brexiters like to roll out to justify the dismissal of any opposition the fact remains that the Brexit vote, just like any General Election vote was not the will of the people, it was the will of some of the people. Those who disagree with the result of a GE are free to oppose it in any legal fashion. We even have an official 'Opposition' in Parliament. In the same way, people whose 'will' it was to remain in the EU are equally entitled to oppose the decision of the majority. That is democracy, respect for minority views and freedom to legally protest or work for change.

Brexiteers seem so intoxicated by this 'will of the people' thing that they forget what actually constitutes 'democracy

Leaving the EU is the will of the people!

That is both inaccurate and propagandist rubbish and I for one am fed up with the maceration of our democracy. I wasn't wholly for staying in but I am wholly and completely for freedom of speech.

Leaving the EU was a majority vote - not the will of all the people by any method of counting and I suppose the screaming leavers can actually do that. It will, because of this vote, go ahead as it should do, but we were not voting for an end to free speech or our ability to try and change things we don't agree with.

If what you are saying is true Niggly then this referendum would never have taken place as WE HAd ALREADY HAD ONE and everyone who didn't like it should have remained silent from that day on.

It's puerile nonsense with no knowledge of how our democracy works backed by a press that treats its readers like children.

because they respect the outcome of the referendum

What, under our democracy does that actually mean Annie? Or is it just a phrase to chime out time after time.

So what is the will of the people then?! As I understand it it is the majority vote, as we do things, both in a referendum and a General Election - perhaps I'm wrong, but how else are these things decided?! We did have a referendum, 40 years ago in which I wholeheartedly voted yes to Britain belonging to the Common Market, something I would still support. Over the 40 years the Common Market has become a creeping institution that I have felt less and less happy with, apart from the fact it is now not what I voted for and never would have done so 40 years ago. Given the chance, which we were, I used my vote accordingly.
Today's march just seems pointless, it's as simple as that!

I think in light of the police being stretched to the max with recent events, the protestors will go down in living memory as selfish and ineffective.
And I voted to remain.

Theresa Mays government weren't elected.

One of the reasons the police are stretched is their numbers have been severely cut by one T May when she was Home Secretary.

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The result of the referendum and thereby the "Will of the People" was based many lies told by the LEAVE faction and a few by the REMAIN main. Since the referendum a lot of new facts have come to light. To take such a drastic step as leaving the EU based on this unsound premise is without good reason.

Many REMAINERS have resigned themselves to this and that is their choice. However, in a democracy, REMAINERS who believe that the decision to leave is wrong have the right to protest to the last. The tragedy is that the majority of MP's from all parties (UKIP excepted) believe that leaving the EU is wrong. UKIP's one MP has left UKIP.

Triggering Article 50 may not be as final the Brexiteers think. Probably fewer than 50 Tory MP's actually think Brexit is right for the country. Of course there is a lot wrong with the EU but we have got a lot from it and influence from with is better than from outside.

If after leaving the government reallizes their mistake and apply to rejoin. The EU may not accept us and the terms if they do will be much worse than we have now.

London has decided "business as usual" , that includes marches.

But the screaming leavers are saying that when a GENERAL will has been expressed, as in the referendum, no one should try and oppose it or even speak about it ever again. That is certainly not the "will of the people" Niggly.

Whatever you say about changes after the earlier referendum - and I feel much as you do about it - the general will was enacted by our elected representatives, voted in by majority, but the screaming leavers wanted to overturn that but not allow anyone else a say following this referendum.

Whether or not today's march seems pointless to you is really of no account (other than to you and those who wish to hear your views). It is their right to march and use another part of our democracy - which has never been as simple as one vote in a referendum - but whose complexity seems beyond the knowledge of some who thought they had taken over the world (or at least the UK) because of the referendum.

The conservative party always choose their leader and if the party wins an election that leader becomes prime minister. If that leader fails to complete a full term for whatever reason the party chooses a new leader who automatically becomes the new Prime Minister. That is how the conservatives have always operated so Teresa May as the now leader of the conservative party who won the last election is legitimately the Prime Minster, and has no need to go to the country before the prescribed time. I think the other parties do things differently but I'm not sure

Cindersdad, I agree with much of what you say but I am, perhaps, not so downhearted. In spite of the Screaming Leavers (there are other softly spoken ones who will discuss nicely ) think there is no mandate for a 'hard' Brexit and the EU has its own problems. I think we will know more by the end of the next 12 months and I am keeping my fingers crossed for a good outcome all round while being prepared for it not to be

I didn't say T May wasnt the legitimate pm. Just we the people didn't elect her as pm I know the constitutional stuff. I'm not splitting hairs, just saying. We didn't have a referendum on whether there should be a referendum either. I didn't agree with that.

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www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/25/eu-leaders-mark-60th-anniversary-with-rome-declaration

Shame we are not there.

I bet the leavers never thought of this.

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David Lammy has the right idea; don't mourn, organise.

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If you want to see more photos of a fantastic march on a beautifully sunny March day.

The promise of a referendum was in the conservative manifesto which people voted on so you can say that it was well known that a conservative government would be holding a referendum and people clearly took that not account when voting for a conservative government.
Can't see your point about TM.

One of the real problems for the Remainers is the actual referendum. It was agreed by Parliament it would go ahead as an ADVISORY referendum and then suddenly it became one which had to be acted upon! For the referendum to be a decisive one the ratio of votes should be something like 60/40 which is what happened previously and also in Ireland.
Had the result been that sort of result there would be no problem at all.

However this vote has also unleashed some nasty behaviour from some sections of the population - this is not acceptable as the laws about the racist behaviour have not been changed. It is this result of the referendum I find as much a problem as the small majority.

The referendum was a rush job!

Advisory it may have been, but D.C. scuppered that when he promised that the result would be acted upon however small the majority. He was as so convinced that remain would win even by a small margin that he felt able to promise this with confidence!! Lessons to be learned no doubt!!