Brexit all done and dusted?

Do not forget that the majority of sitting MPs actually voted to Remain, but all of the Tories, with the honourable exception of Ken Clarke, and a lot of Labour MPs were bullied into triggering Article 50, against their better judgement. It looks like their political careers were more important to them than what they honestly judged to be in the best interests of their constituencies and the country.

Let's hope we can get rid of the Brexiters and elect MPs with integrity who will stand up for the 63% of the electorate who did not vote for any kind of Brexit, let alone a hard Brexit.

The Liberal Democrats will not acquiese in giving away our place in the world and our grandchildren's future.

varian. Miller - what do you think of her idea?

I think Gina Miller's intention is to give voters information in relation to each constituency that will help identify the candidates who will strongly oppose hard Brexit and have the best chance of winning.

This information should help many voters make the best choice, although the FPTP voting system is still a huge challenge to evercome.

The more LibDem MPs elected, the better the outcome, although if you lived in Ken Clarke's patch you might support him or vote for Caroline Lucas in Brighton. There will be other places where the best choice could be a Labour MP who is neither a Brexiter nor a Corbynite.

As I understand it, she says she would then hope that the final deal after negotiations would be put to the vote in Parliament with the option of staying in the EU - i.e. it would be a meaningful vote, not just a choice of bad deal or worse deal (WTO rules).

Do remember that the legal expert who draughted Article 50 has stated clearly that it IS revocable.

Yes I've always understood that it is revocable from reading A50. It seems sensible to me if the alternative is to shoot ourselves in the foot.

The view from the EU

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/22/dont-believe-theresa-may-election-wont-change-brexit?CMP=share_btn_link

?? daphnedill
Are "forebears" not ancestors??

Kakistracy rules! What a sad legacy to leave to our forebears

welsh just read the article

I have also just read it. Much of it makes sense, but I thought his reference to TMs "tough negotiating red lines" was a bit rich. As far as I can make out the EUs negotiating position is nothing but red lines!

No fitz the EU has been running this system with modification since WW11. The rules are what they are. May is trying to introduce something entirely different.

Yes, we leave a legacy to our heirs who could possibly also be our descendants.

Well, that is the logical thing to do!

Kakistracy rules! it will do if Corbyn ever became PM with his bunch of merry women.

I've not noticed any of Corbyn's bunch of merry women looking very merry recently - certainly not Diane Abbot or Emily Thornberry who keep getting wheeled out to defend the indefensible and explain the inexplicable.

You're right Maw. Ooops! I was obviously tired (my excuse anyway). It was probably one of my dud edits, when I change the sentence round,but confuse myself. Doh!

There's no way that Corbyn will be PM, so I don't think anybody needs worry about that. It concerns me far more that the Conservatives have a huge majority and won't be challenged on anything - Brexit related or otherwise. At least one prediction is that the Conservatives will win at least 10 seats in Scotland.

Ukip is practically dead and there's evidence that Ukip supporters are now supporting the Conservatives, so May can't become too soft. Most of them came from the Cons in the first place, but some formerly voted Labour. That's one of the reasons the Cons are now polling so high. The Conservatives are losing some of their more centrist supporters to the LibDems, especially the ones who voted Remain.

Miller's aim is to keep the Conservative majority low.

I thought her aim was to support MPs of any flavour who are willing to stand up and be counted if they thought that a particular area of Brexit would cause severe damage to the UK?

I know who will agree with this man.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/23/tony-blair-vote-tory-or-lib-dem-where-they-are-open-minded-on-brexit

Mores to the point now Durhamjen, why do you want to be in the EU. Instead of constantly throwing up links to this and that. Tell me why?

In your own words too rather than all this "armchair" politics that you seem to love. Keep it simple due to me being a normal working class lass.

That's told you dj

And it would be nice if durhamjen told us.

Blimey rose if you don't know by now I would worry about your short and long term memory -you are always keen to bung in your two pennyworth to dj

Yes varian Emily Thornberry is getting wheeled out all the time.

Hear, hear![anticipation!]

And you are not backward in coming forward yourself ww and most of us like our 'two pennyworth' on here ( or had you not noticed?)

Love a strong woman.

Of course I'm not - that's what a forum is about. Yes I had noticed that's why I was surprised at your remark.

CBA, saaki.
If you don't know by now why I want us to be in the EU, you never will believe anything I say.