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Syria - what is to be done?

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whitewave Wed 05-Apr-17 08:22:37

Listening to an American this morning talking about air strikes. I haven't a clue but Assad must be stopped.

petra Sat 08-Apr-17 17:48:32

It wouldn't surprise me at all if this was the perfect excuse for putin to pull out of Syria.
And yes your right nina1959 many people have known for a long time that Sweden isn't all sweetness and light. It was only a matter of time.

ninny Sat 08-Apr-17 17:52:20

Good post Nina1959. A stand had to be made.

Fitzy54 Sat 08-Apr-17 18:50:08

Not sure what all this stuff about WW3 is getting at. Putin has no more intention of starting WW3 than Jeremy Corbyn. But it seems he is happy to condone the indiscriminate use of sarin gas on children, at least if nobody makes any move to stop it.
As to posters signifying how they might well support the US action if only there was some sensible long term strategy, I'm very grateful to them for letting me know that the Pentagon has made them party to its long term strategic thinking (or absence of it). Or maybe the Secretary of State has posted an admission on Gransnet and I missed that one?
In my naivety I thought the US was simply making the point that while it has said it won't interfere in Syria, there are still red lines in the sand, including Obama's own red line that there must be no use of chemical weapons. As to whether that makes any sense in the context an acceptance by the US of the fact that Assad has used other weapons to even more destructive effect, well, yes it does make sense. Hence the support from the likes of the shadow defence minister, the deputy leader of the Labour Party, and the leader of the Liberal Democrats, none of whom to my knowledge have been advocating the bombing of Syria up to now. But Perhaps they should all listen more to Nigel Farage.

trisher Sat 08-Apr-17 18:53:41

I'm afraid I wonder about the timing of this whole episode. Trump is being investigated about his links to Russia who are fighting a war in Syria. Chemical weapons are used in that war and film of this is widely circulated in the media. Trump then sends missiles to an airbase where the chemical weapons are said to be stored. Suddenly Trump is a hero and a man of action. It stinks to high heaven.

Ana Sat 08-Apr-17 18:57:18

I must admit I thought ww for one must indeed be privy to Trump's thinking and motivation from the content of some of her posts Fitzy. Unless it's an opinion from somewhere else...

Fitzy54 Sat 08-Apr-17 19:11:13

Trisher I'm not sure what you are suggesting. That Trump just saw an opportunity to take the heat off himself? That he orchestrated the whole thing, dropping the sarin gas himself? Or something else?

trisher Sat 08-Apr-17 19:14:27

Not him personally Fitzy54 but perhaps his Russian friends or their Syrian allies provided him with a very nice opportunity?

rosesarered Sat 08-Apr-17 19:21:52

trisher I don't think I have ever heard such a far fetched conspiracy theory!

trisher Sat 08-Apr-17 19:25:26

You've led a sheltered life then rar

rosesarered Sat 08-Apr-17 19:25:55

The problem is that lots of people who dislike/hate Donald Trump cannot bring themselves to say that he and his administration have actually done something right.
This is just as bad as those who claim that a politician they like can do no wrong.
All this stuff about WW3 is completely OTT.

rosesarered Sat 08-Apr-17 19:26:55

Far from it trisher but I try and stay grounded.

rosesarered Sat 08-Apr-17 19:30:20

That was a very strange rambling (fly on the wall of the Oval Office) post WW

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 20:36:09

I actually like Trump. He doesn't pretend to be who is. He's blatantly Donald Trump and somehow I feel safe with is unpalatable truth far more than a politician who acts to an audience.

durhamjen Sat 08-Apr-17 20:39:52

Do you live in the USA?

Anya Sat 08-Apr-17 20:39:58

Trump is always playing to his audience.

Ana Sat 08-Apr-17 20:40:50

The trouble is, his decisions and actions are unpredictable.

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 20:45:00

I live in the UK.

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 20:45:51

I think it says a lot that his ex wives still like him.

Anya Sat 08-Apr-17 20:51:29

Really?

This from the New Yorker

"When “Lost Tycoon” was published, Trump denounced it, and last year, in a tweet, he called Hurt (the author) a “dummy dope” who “wrote a failed book.”

The part of the book that caused the most controversy concerns Trump’s divorce from his first wife, Ivana. Hurt obtained a copy of her sworn divorce deposition, from 1990, in which she stated that, the previous year, her husband had raped her in a fit of rage. In Hurt’s account, Trump was furious that a “scalp reduction” operation he’d undergone to eliminate a bald spot had been unexpectedly painful. Ivana had recommended the plastic surgeon. In retaliation, Hurt wrote, Trump yanked out a handful of his wife’s hair, and then forced himself on her sexually. Afterward, according to the book, she spent the night locked in a bedroom, crying; in the morning, Trump asked her, “with menacing casualness, ‘Does it hurt?’ ” Trump has denied both the rape allegation and the suggestion that he had a scalp-reduction procedure. Hurt said that the incident, which is detailed in Ivana’s deposition, was confirmed by two of her friends.

durhamjen Sat 08-Apr-17 20:53:53

I'm pleased you live in the UK, nina. You won't be able to vote for the idiot.

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 20:54:25

Well they all turned up at his inauguration so it beats me.

durhamjen Sat 08-Apr-17 20:58:27

Free dress and make-up?

Anya Sat 08-Apr-17 20:59:13

A three-line whip?

nina1959 Sat 08-Apr-17 21:00:30

Really? They turned up under protest???? I don't think so.

durhamjen Sat 08-Apr-17 21:03:27

Apparently they has a $300 budget for clothes, etc. Amazing what the idea of a free meal will do!