Syria - what is to be done?

I don't think they were that dumb or downtrodden. I also think they wanted to be part of the world stage.

We're digressing a bit here!

So who's telling the truth?

Apparently, Syrian jets took off yesterday afternoon from air base US missiles struck.

www.cnbc.com/2017/04/07/syrian-jets-take-off-from-air-base-us-missiles-struck-syrian-observatory.html

BUT, thirty minutes ago, U.S. U.S. Navy Admiral Michelle Howard claimed that the US strikes destroyed Syrian means to deliver chemical weapons.

www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-usa-idUSKBN17A0QD?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=58e93b6704d30165f8c19993&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

So did those cruise missiles achieve their objective or not?

What's the US going to do if Syria or Russia uses more chemical weapons?

This is a good read. It shows how the tactical displacement of people allows them to impregnate another land with their culture thus achieving the ambition of those political parties driving the force behind it.

www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140100627270

Another book is The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli. It's said that every world leader will have a copy on their bedside table.

I have to say that I've been thinking a bit along the same lines as trisher 18.53. According to my paper this morning the Russians were warned about the attack and I saw a photo on twitter yesterday of the bombed airfield which showed very clearly that these missiles, which can be fired with deadly accuracy, did not destroy the runway, just buildings. This second 'fact' is confirmed by dj's very recent post saying that the planes were reportedly taking off from it.

I can't make head or tail of what is going on, but I think that the poster who said much earlier on this thread that we're not getting the whole truth is pretty well on the money...

I saw that about the runway as well MaizieD It seems ridiculous doesn't it bomb an airfield but miss the runway!!??

nina1959 It might be a good read for those paranoid about world domination by "others", but no thanks!

I was brought up with that kind of cr*p. Thank goodness I grew up!

Warplanes took off from the runway to bomb Homs after the Americans claimed it had been destroyed. It's as though Assad is holding up two fingers to Trump.

Says the expert Daphnedill. It chronicles a history of world war events by those who were well read. It's worth reading.

Apparently they didn't aim for the runway because a runway can be quickly repaired. I wonder how much sarin they've taken with them, sarin made using chemicals that we sold to them.

www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/08/could-britain-have-sold-sarin-chemicals-assad-syria

No thank you! I heard enough about this kind of stuff when I was a child. The woman in the red suit third from right is my godmother.

John Tyndall (4th from left) was the neo-Nazi chairman of the National Front, founder of the World Union of National Socialists and the BNP.

Hans-Ulrich Rudel (3rd from left) was a neo-Nazi,who founded and organisation for Nazi war criminals in Argebtina.

Savitri Devi (front row right) was a Nazi writer, who often wrote about cultural warfare.

I suspect I know at least as much about this kind of drivel as you do.

The thing that really upsets me is much closer to home when they say that the terrorists were known to the authorities before they acted. Surely this means the authorities should act before not after?

The authorities can only take action based on evidence, not just because they suspect someone is a terrorist.

Flipping heck, daphne! Did you know them all?
Pleased you grew up.

No, I didn't, thank goodness. The woman in the red suit was my mother's best friend at school and was a frequent visitor until she moved to Germany. I briefly met the woman's lover, Peter Ling, who is described as "a former armed robber, later to be exposed as a paedophile, who was Colin Jordan’s right-hand man for two decades."

Colin Jordan was a life-long Nazi, who founded the National Socialist Movement. George Lincoln Rockwell, who founded the American Nazi Party, was his deputy. Jordan was married briefly to Christian Dior's niece, Francoise and she provided him with much of the movement's finance.

Maybe you can understand why I'm so wary of right-wing movements and their philosophy. Ling and Jordan weren't idiots. Jordan went to Cambridge and was originally a teacher and Ling went to Oxford. They were real hard-core Nazis, who really believed that white people are superior and that "others" are scum, but trying to take over the world. I've read some of the letters the woman in the red suit sent to my mother. They're stark staring bonkers, but frightening, especially as Nick Griffon & Co seem to be setting up a neo-Nazi hub in Hungary and the possibility of a neo-Nazi government in France, etc.

I'm surprised at there being a BNP in 1960. I wouldn't have thought anyone would have dared set up such a party. However, they obviously moved in different circles to the present BNP.

White Defence League as well, not EDL. Even more blatant.

Did you see there was an EDL march in Birmingham on Saturday afternoon?
The mosque countered it by having an English tea party.
A hundred on the march; three hundred at the tea party.
Brilliant.

The current BNP was set up in 1982, but the original BNP was set up in 1960 and lasted until the National Front replaced it. Why are you surprised? If anything, the right-wing was more active in the 1960s in the UK than it is now.

Oswald Mosely was still active in politics in the 1960s. One of his aims was a European single nation state.I wonder what he would have thought of Brexit!

This is the Wiki entry for the original BNP:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party_(1960)

John Tyndall founded the current BNP after falling out with other National Front members. The ideology was identical to the National Front.

Sorry! This is off-topic, but maybe the previous poster will reconsider whether I'm at least a bit of an expert about threatened take-overs of Europe by alien cultures - or, at least, the paranoia about it.

PS. The woman in the red suit is dead, but my mother isn't and I don't want to give any more details.

Surprised because it was quite soon after the war.
In the fifties my parents had Germans, Jamaicans and Nigerians staying in our house. Obviously didn't move in similar circles.
My parents were always staunch Tories, but this didn't seem to fit.

In 1957, my parents also had a young German girl on a 'peace and reconciliation programme'to stay with us for six weeks, paying her and her parents a return visit in 1961. Bearing in mind fairly recent circumstances, I always felt that this gesture was particularly magnanimous on the part of my mother. So I suppose it proves that, contrary to popular belief, even staunch Tories aren't necessarily racists and bigots!

Sadly Assad clearly feels secure enough to continue with his murderous killing of his citizens.

The bombing of the airfield and associated infrastructure was never intended to make Assad stop and hide under the table , it was to make him stop using chemical weapons.Hopefully it will. The Americans were upfront about warning the Russians so that they ( and Syrians) could get out of the place and not be killed.

I'm still struggling with Trump's action in bombing the airfields. My main concern is that the US and its allies (the Uk of course) have been supporting the rebel groups against Assad. Assad is a brutal dictator and the original rebellion seems to have been with the aim of getting rid of him and establishing a more democratic rule. Inevitably in that region, Al Queda, Daesh and other equally unpleasant groups joined the rebels. I loathe Assad, don't trust the Russians and like everyone else, wishes some kind of political solution can be found.
Trump hasn't waited long before confirming the fears most people had about his reactive, emotional personality being high risk in a Potus. I believe it's unlikely any group other than Assad is responsible for the chemical attacks and share the hopeless feeling that "something must be done". Trump would have been well advised to obtain the support of congress (and the UN?) before taking action. Or - am I fence sitting again?