North Korea

If it looks like a duck and it quacks, then it probably is a duck

Aaaaah Anya but if you still think it's a pig then it's a pig.

Seriously NK really scares me. Their leader is a complete lunatic who I can't imagine would have a second thought about launching the mother of all nuclear missiles if he was able to (which I suspect is only a matter of time). The most frightening thing is that he is so unhinged that he has no moral compass whatsoever and wouldn't give a second thought as to the consequences.

No of course not DJ

I just thought it would be ironic if it had been a nuclear launch and the launch site and those working in WMD blew themselves up!

I think the time to worry is if Kim Jong Un ever leaves North Korea. After all he certainly won't want to be there if/when the preverbial hits the fan.

AND THE UK GOVERNMENT IS OF COURSE WHITER THAN WHITE? Mrs May was doing the rounds selling arms ,were they as ornaments? Our government is every bit as "dodgy" as those mentioned .They just cover it up better .Or their PR is better at making us( not all of us) believe them .

I think our government whatever it's colour is better than NK! Even the SNP are better than Kim Il Jung and his gang! or perhaps you don't think so paddyann?
Just bye the bye, this country isn't alone in selling arms, the French aren't backwards in coming forward in this respect to name but only one, but I guess worldwide the UK is the most wicked! Goes without saying really!!!

There really is no need to shout, paddyann. The UK's participation in arms dealing has been highlighted many times on the political threads. No one is denying its culpability in that respect.

Whether wiki is reliable I don't know but it puts UK behind both France and Germany as an arms exporter. It puts the UK as 6th. Oddly China and South Korea seem to both be in the top 10 exporters and importers.

I think as well as the moral issue whether killing methods should be sold at all. The important thing is who you sell them too surely

Whoever you sell arms to it's a risk as to what they'll be used for and who they'll be used against. Governments come and go and a benign state today can become an aggressive one tomorrow.

So don't sell arms.
Find something else to sell insteadf. Those of us who object to the UK selling arms usually object to any country selling arms. CAAT is not just about the UK arms trade.

Just keeping a wary eye on events, DD flies to Hong Kong on Tuesday and thence to mainland China for a 2week buying trip for work, SIL flies off to Japan for an exhibition he has been responsible for.
I know the Far East is a big place but I will be glad when they are back.

Can't they be cancelled or postponed, MawBroon?

How on earth would you ever be able to persuade every country in the world to cease selling arms?!!! Can't see Russia or China boarding that magic roundabout!!! Never mind the Middle East!! Unrealistic forlorn hope!!

DJ, Not easily, the exhibition is up and running, SIL may well be supervising dismantling it and the buying trip is DD's last one for her present company before moving to her new job. The whole buying team are flying out so I am hoping that if they have any reservations they will indeed cancel,it.

Oh dear, MawBroon. I'll be worried with you until they get back. The school my son and his wife used to teach in had boys going to China every Easter along with staff.
I don't know about this year, but if I were a parent in that situation, I would hope the school would cancel.

Someone has to start the moral line of not selling arms, niggly. Why not the UK?
The UK is being investigated about the morality of selling arms to Saudi to kill children in Yemen.

I see that Russia have moved troops to Vladivostok.

From the film I watched earlier.
"Don't attack Russia or America. Let them attack each other, then clean up afterwards."
Fortunately in the film, nuclear armageddon was averted, but not before Baltimore was destroyed by a single nuclear bomb, put in a cigarette machine.
In real life..... bombs the size of those dropped at Hiroshima and Nagasaki can be accidentally detonated.

I always think that calling for a country not to sell arms in the hope or expectation that other countries wont do it either, is naievity in the extreme.

I think some people feel they have to have an answer to a problem whatever a problem is, and this is what they come up with for war.

Nothing naive about refusing to sell arms to someone who are intent on using them to target children and women and innocent civilians. Everything to do with a moral stand - it's called the high ground.

And all other countries follow suit?
Do you perceive that the end game or result is no weapons??

You can call it naive,Abonet, I call it moral. I am sure you will have something derogatory to say about morality, too, but I don't care.

I could go on and on about this but not sure I am in the mood.

What about answering my previous question[you probably didnt see it before you posted yours].

Plus what about weapons for defence. Or is all the world doing the same, ie have no weapons.

And dont you then think they would pick up axes or hand made swords or whatever?

Or has the world gone peaceful too?

You need to take things through to their conclusion.

What is wrong with the idea of no weapons?
The opposite is that if we have more and more nuclear weapons, we cannot use them as every other country should be allowed to have nuclear weapons as well.
We did sign up to a non-proliferation treaty a while ago.
Non-proliferation doesn't mean you can replace each weapon you have by a more powerful one, although some people seem to think so.
How many countries is the UK at war with - usually using the US as proxy?
Our drone specialists are in America, teaching theirs. Is that good?
Our armed forces train Saudi forces. We sell them planes and bombs. Is that aceptable to you?
War by proxy is just as evil as war.

Your conclusion is the end of the world. Have you thought that through?