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Not an election please

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Anniebach Tue 18-Apr-17 10:05:00

May is to make an important announcement at 11.15

rosesarered Tue 18-Apr-17 16:23:20

durhamjen predictably rude of you to tell another poster to 'shut up' and I certainly don't regard you as a 'normal leftie' ( whatever it means.)

GracesGranMK2 Tue 18-Apr-17 16:27:05

DD grin

rosesarered Tue 18-Apr-17 16:29:46

I think you have it exactly right POGS and Elegran
It was a surprise ( hearing about a GE) but not a shock. T May is probably doing the right thing, even though it's a gamble, because if she is returned with a better majority then she has more clout in Parliament dealing with the negotiations.If the country decided it would be better off with Corbyn doing the negotiating (grin then it's the country's decision ( God help us.) T May would then have a clear five years to set things on the right track before another GE.
If Corbyn didn't win this time, then Labour will be ditching him in time for the GE in another five years( gives them time to find somebody half decent.)

Anniebach Tue 18-Apr-17 16:33:09

It's the politics of the fsr left rosesarered, a labour PM critcised Corbyn and he has been referred to the chief whip who will instruct him to shut up. I post my opinion of Corbyn and am told to shut up, hey ho. I will not shut up.,

There is left of centre and the militant fsr left ,Corbyn is the latter , explains much.,

I faced it all after 1983 so use to it. Just look on utube for Derek Hatton trying to shut the party leader up.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 18-Apr-17 16:34:20

Ah - I see the old gossips are back. Talk about anyone - particularly if they can all attack one person - rather that talk about the subject. Best ignored; the tricoteuse are best getting on with there knitting while they prepare their next verbal guillotining and the rest of us can discuss "Not an election please" that swiftly turned into "yes, she has gone back on all she said and we are having an election".

GracesGranMK2 Tue 18-Apr-17 16:34:59

their not there.

rosesarered Tue 18-Apr-17 16:37:58

Your posts are very strange GGMK2 Are you 'an old gossip' by any chance? grin

rosesarered Tue 18-Apr-17 16:42:30

Even if ( by some fluke) Labour won the GE, then Brexit would still go ahead, as Corbyn is a fan of it.

whitewave Tue 18-Apr-17 16:45:16

It is going to be a very strange election indeed. What I think it is, is a request to have a free hand re Brexit. Quite unlike anything we've ever voted for before. And what about all the other major issues like crises in the NHS, schools, prisons these issues will get side lined I am sure which is a tragedy.

Ana Tue 18-Apr-17 16:46:04

Or is it just us 'Far-right Nazi-types'? grin (although I'm not much good at knitting)

ninny Tue 18-Apr-17 16:46:34

I would have thought all the Remoaners would be pleased with another general election, after saying Leavers didn't know what they were voting for (I certainly did know) now voters have been given another chance to decide who the country backs and whether the country are 100 per cent with Theresa May and Brexit.

Beammeupscottie Tue 18-Apr-17 16:47:07

Brexit will go ahead irrespective. I will vote for the Party Leader who has got the balls for the job. We all know who that is.

Anniebach Tue 18-Apr-17 16:48:38

He is Rosesarered, the reason why he dodged debates leading up to the referendum vote.

With Corbyn as leader I do not want lsbour to win the election, I don't want a country run by the far left and union leaders

varian Tue 18-Apr-17 16:51:49

Do you think you will change the habit of a lifetime and vote for the Liberal Democrats? Annie You know it makes sense.

Anniebach Tue 18-Apr-17 16:52:28

True ninny, voters can now choose to vote for the candidate who represents the majority of their constituency

Beammeupscottie Tue 18-Apr-17 16:54:09

Only a very small minority of people want the Unions and the Trots running the Country. Certainly not in the key suburban marginals.

Ana Tue 18-Apr-17 16:55:07

I'm sure the Libems will increase their voting percentage, but not by anywhere near enough to damage the Tory lead.

trisher Tue 18-Apr-17 16:59:12

ninny I know of at least 3 people who voted leave and have said that they regret it now. I don't know any remainers who have changed their mind. The country will never be 100% behind Brexit and the small majority in favour may be even smaller now.

whitewave Tue 18-Apr-17 17:01:02

Interesting comment by a City bod talking about the markets, and then May and the reason she called the election. One of the reasons this bod said was because she is a remainer and is keen not to go for a hard Brexit. She is hoping that this election will strengthen her soft Brexit hand. Being a remainer I'm all with her on that one if the City bod is right.

Beammeupscottie Tue 18-Apr-17 17:01:36

Ah, but there are those like me who wanted to remain but will follow the majority vote to leave. There is no point in looking back now.

daphnedill Tue 18-Apr-17 17:04:29

Doing the right thing for whom? The Tories?

If you deconstruct May's announcement, it's quite clearly nonsense. (Hope she had her fingers crossed while the word came out of her mouth.) The people threatening May aren't the opposition party, but her own back benchers. They rebelled on the budget and are threatening to rebel over grammar schools.

A new government will mean that the manifesto promises not to increase TAX or VAT or abolish the triple lock will no longer count.

May knows perfectly well that the economy is facing problems and that her hands are tied without being able to raise extra cash. She aslo knows that the public is opposed to "hard Brexit", so she wants an election before even more people realise the consequences.

Just one month ago she said that a snap election would destabilise the country. Margaret (TINA) Thatcher will be turning in her grave.

I'm sure the Conservatives will remain the biggest party, it really depends whether Labour can hold its seats. The pundits think they won't gain (m)any. However, although they have an historically low number of voters, the way the voters are distributed means they might not lose many seats.

The threat is likely to come from the LibDems in places like Twickenham, Bath and Cheltenham, which were LibDem, voted Remain and only need a small swing for the LibDems to retake them.

We could end up with May as leader of the biggest party and still PM, but if Labour and the LDs come to some kind of agreement (not a coalition) they could block the Conservatives in Parliament.

durhamjen Tue 18-Apr-17 17:08:27

Annie, give the full story of Neil Coyle.

"But Coyle’s troubles go a long way beyond his abuse toward Labour staff. In a string of incidents, according to a senior Labour source:

Coyle is the subject of a formal complaint about his alleged treatment of a Labour staff member at the PLP (parliamentary Labour party) meeting following the Copeland and Stoke by-elections
he is the subject of a formal complaint about alleged public bullying of a recently-appointed Labour staff member on social media
Coyle is the subject of a formal complaint regarding alleged public bullying of a recently-departed member of staff
he is under the spotlight for sending abusive emails to three members of the Shadow Cabinet – and then promptly leaking them to journalists
Coyle faces scrutiny for using social media to attempt to body-shame a parliamentary colleague

At least one of the complaints by staff has been referred to lawyers.

Among the most damning aspects of Coyle’s behaviour is that he gave his article to the Sun, and spoke to Sky, accusing the leader’s team of poor performance when he already knew well over two weeks ago that the criticisms by journalists that he has used as the basis for his comments were not about Corbyn’s team but rather about the official Labour media team, which does not report to the Labour leader."

Don't just use innuendo to smear Corbyn as you usually do.

daphnedill Tue 18-Apr-17 17:09:54

But there is a way to go back, beammeupscottie. Although it would be difficult politically, there is no legal reason why it has to go ahead.

The EU would probably be fed up too after the UK has caused such a lot of bother.

Maybe May is a fan of "Black Adder" and this has been a cunning plan all along. wink

Ana Tue 18-Apr-17 17:10:04

Which will lead to more of the same old...ad infinitum! What fun...

Abonet Tue 18-Apr-17 17:10:53

whitewave, I too think she may be a soft Brexit person at heart.
I dont take much of what she actually says at face value.

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