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How to vote tactically (spreadsheet)

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Grannyknot Fri 21-Apr-17 16:28:15

Interesting how t'innernet can be applied to most things these days - someone has made a spreadsheet and put it online:

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/htmlview?usp=embed_facebook&sle=true#

whitewave Wed 26-Apr-17 21:17:28

saak well that will include practically all the people in Europe and a large level of the population in this country, who given the need would do the same. So equation with weakness is meaningless

stillaliveandkicking Wed 26-Apr-17 21:20:38

Im not "wishy washy" I believe in making a decision and sticking by it. If you want to flip flop and sit in the middle of the seesaw, compromise your core values then thats up to you. I personally find that to be a weakness not a strength.

Luckygirl Wed 26-Apr-17 21:45:50

My principles lead me to the conclusion that a change of government is needed; so tactical voting for me is not a compromise of my principles.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 26-Apr-17 21:59:50

So you will vote for a party that you don't actually believe in to try to make this happen then Lucky? errr ok then.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 26-Apr-17 22:00:30

Why don't you just vote what you believe in? very strange.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 26-Apr-17 22:04:36

I believe in May. She's shown herself to be very pragmatic and doesn't promise things she can't deliver. Unlike the rest.

durhamjen Wed 26-Apr-17 22:14:47

She's promised lots she can't deliver.

Tory plan to scrap the Human Rights Act in first 100 days abandoned (14th Aug 2016)
Tories abandon plan to withdraw from European Convention on Human Rights (30th June 2016)
Plan to make firms list foreign workers in a staff list are withdrawn (9th Oct 2016)
Theresa May backtracked on her refusal to publish a Brexit White Paper before Article 50 vote (25th Jan 2017)
Theresa May caves in to demand for MPs to get a vote on final Brexit Deal (7th Feb 2017)
Plans to tax Self Employed workers including 1.149m living in poverty axed (15th Mar 2017)

stillaliveandkicking Wed 26-Apr-17 22:27:52

Her main goal is to bring in what the people want, which is to get out of the EU. Things do take over other demands at the moment don't you think durham? After this most things will need to be rewritten. Bloated heads will roll.

I really have no idea why you keep sending such things over. It will all be rewritten so why on earth would she?

Bizarre.

durhamjen Wed 26-Apr-17 23:10:45

"She doesn't promise things she can't deliver" you said.
She does, I say, and gave you examples.
Sorry but you can't wriggle out of that with your convoluted and confusingly bizarre statement.

"It will all be rewritten..."
In other words she will change her mind again. Can't be trusted.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 26-Apr-17 23:15:35

No one knows what Brexit will bring durham. I personally want a radical change and shake up that may bring, I'm braced for it. You however keep on being so negative about change that it is becoming rather silly in my eyes.

People that can't embrace change never grow. You are stuck in the past.

durhamjen Wed 26-Apr-17 23:17:13

You could always just ignore me, saaki.

stillaliveandkicking Wed 26-Apr-17 23:19:36

Yeah I could do that but your negativity is pretty "in your face" all the time so want to respond.

daphnedill Wed 26-Apr-17 23:54:30

Ah! But if she ignored you, she wouldn't get her kicks!

daphnedill Wed 26-Apr-17 23:57:11

There's a remarkable similarity betwee Saak and Corbyn. Both want radical change. Neither considers other people's views. At least Corbyn doesn't appear to spend his evenings online winding people up - as far as I know.

Ironic, really.

daphnedill Thu 27-Apr-17 00:00:57

I would appear not to be one of the "people" (along with at least another 48% of UK citizens) so I'm just wondering what kind of being I am,because I always thought I was a "person".

I really do wonder why you're spending your time on the saak. The UK is leaving the UK,so why don't you spend your time doing something productive?

varian Thu 27-Apr-17 08:37:32

The Liberal Democrats have now decided not to put up a candidate against Caroline Lucas.

Luckygirl Thu 27-Apr-17 09:38:15

Clearly I would not vote for a UKIP candidate in order to oust the Tory. As many have painstakingly outlined many times on this thread, tactical voting is about putting your cross to a candidate with whom you have some broad agreement (or at least no strong objection) in order to prevent a candidate to whom you have very strong objections gaining the seat. I think it is a very simple principle indeed.

Why don't I just vote for what I believe in?
1. Because no party or candidate encapsulates all of what I believe - most people are in this situation.
2. Doing that would indirectly result in bolstering the MP numbers of a party i definitely do not believe in.

So....there is only one option for me and that is to vote tactically.

If we had a voting system that would allow me to vote with my beliefs the issue of tactical voting would not arise.

whitewave Thu 27-Apr-17 09:40:24

Exactly luck and our Government would look very different.

daphnedill Thu 27-Apr-17 09:43:01

varian I also read that the Greens have decided not to put up a candidate in one of the other Brighton consistencies to avoid splitting left vote.

Luckygirl Thu 27-Apr-17 09:45:49

Well hooray! - at least there are some who are prepared to act intelligently and honourably.

daphnedill Thu 27-Apr-17 09:59:07

consistencies = constituencies

I really should check my posts for spelling. Doh!

POGS Thu 27-Apr-17 11:37:08

Brighton Pavilion 2015 results

Green Party22.871
Labour14.904
Conservative 12.448
UKIP 2.724
Liberal Democrat 1.525

Brighton Kemptown

Conservative 18.428
Labour17.738
UKIP 4.446,
Green Party 3.187
Liberal Democrat 1.365.

I was genuinely surprised how poor the Lib Dems performed in Brighton. It could work but the Lib Dems didn't have much to aim for in Brighton, saves them a hell of a lot of money not standing.

whitewave Thu 27-Apr-17 12:49:43

Kemp Town has been Labour in the past - most of the constituency seats in Brighton and Hove are marginal except Pavilion.

daphnedill Thu 27-Apr-17 14:47:19

I suspect there's already tactical voting in Brighton Pavilion, as many LibDem voters lean towards the Greens anyway, so they wouldn't want to split the vote.

The LibDem vote in Kemptown was higher before the coalition. Brighton has many students, so maybe the student fees fiasco influenced them. Maybe whitewave knows.

whitewave Thu 27-Apr-17 15:02:04

Yes we have two Universities and an Art School. Thousands of them everywhere, but makes for a lovely vibrant and lively town. Brighton has always been influenced by the level of academia I think. I have never bothered to work out if the student loan made a difference. The Libs have never represented any of the constituencies the nearest is Lewis, and that went Tory in the last election, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it go back to the libs in future. Sussex Weald is as you would expect all Tory.