Should you vote Liberal?

And Labour are going to save £5 billion of tax payers money by ending tax payers cash going to private healthcare firms.

So between the two parties the NHS should be saved.

While Jeremy Corbyn is offering heaven on earth without raising taxes, for any except the rich and corporate. Are there really enough rich and corporate to sustain the cost? And if the tax rate for them becomes punitive, how long will they stay here? Moving to another jurisdiction is very simple and the financial sector is already doing that.

Both Cable and Farron have said they will not work with Labour.

I admire the honesty of the Libs with their raising of tax, compare this to labour not raising taxes for 95%

£65 billion from stopping the corporation tax cuts?

The financial sector and the pharmaceutical sector are moving because of May's hard Brexit, Monica. Nothing to do with Labour.

Careful, Annie, you'll be voting Libdem next.
Another one to join you, daphne?

The Lib Dems are being straight with the voters, explaining that taxes will have to go up to safeguard the NHS.

The trouble is that may not be a vote-winner in this "post truth era" when facts are derided in favour of mindless sloganising.

A lot of people want wonderful public services and low taxes but the money has to come from somewhere.

Labour have also said where there's is going to come from, too, but with press spin it doesn't get out.

Did you watch Andrew Marr today, and the Buzzfeed director?

I mustn't say anything...

Varian, they were honest , I wish the leader of my party was

Yawn.

dj, yawning on two threads, you need to get some sleep.

Might be better off going out for a walk, Jalima. Except the bit of blue sky that appeared five minutes ago has disappeared again.

I didn't say they were dj, I was pointing out just how quickly and easily they are moving out of the UK at the moment thus demonstrating just how quick and easy it will be for other industries to do the same if the taxation system becomes punitive.

The same applies to the very rich.

In that case we may as well just accept what the Tories say because we do not want to frighten their backers away, do we?

They're mostly moving out of the UK because of Brexit, Monica.

And the very rich have been minimising their tax obligations for years and years. They'll just find a way round any new taxes.

I know that and have not suggested anything else, but there is no point in killing the goose that lays the golden egg and I am sure with a bit of intelligence it is not past the capacity of the various experts to find ways of ensuring that those on the largest incomes and the biggest corporation pay their fair share of taxation while keeping them in this country.

It is just that both the main political parties have such limited political vocabularies that we are stuck with Labour shouting 'Soak the rich' and Tories shouting they will protect the wealth generators that it is quite impossible for either to actually think intelligently or constructively about the roblem.

So what is the intelligent constructive thinking about the problem?

If I knew I would be sharing it with all. But I cannot believe that there isn't a system that is fair to all, encourages investment and provides a fair tax system.

The political rhetoric of both main parties is so limited and boring.

So nobody can answer my question today at 11.45 .

" So when, why , what changed the Liberal Democrats stance over wanting an EU Referendum". (2008)

I thought this thread would give me some answers as it was about the Lib Dems but I guess nobody knows why either.

I was hoping a Lib Dem Member could explain.

Perhaps, POGS the Lid Dems have taken a long hard look at what leaving the EU really means and decided that the evidence shows that it's too damaging to the UK to proceed with.

There's nothing wrong with changing one's mind in the face of evidence.

That's a reasonable answer Maizie d.

No there isn't a problem in changing your mind in the face of evidence, I just don't understand what the evidence is to do such a U Turn..

Thank you for replying.

This is what is happening at the moment, Monica.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sunday-times-rich-list-billionaires-wealthiest-worth-658-billion-a7722166.html

If you look at taxresearch, you will see the Tory party does not intend to make the situation any more equitable.

"The political rhetoric of both main parties is so limited and boring."

Do you think that is why the French ended up having to choose their president from non-mainstream parties?

Probably, although having the front runner ruin his chances by having a policy for rectitude and virtue blown by being found with his fingers in the till was a major contributor to his success.

The other thing is that the French do not have the rigid party system we have and while there are two big parties, the country has a history of new groups coming to prominence, wielding power and fading. More recently we have seen the rise from nothing of populist parties in Spain, Greece and Italy and Macron calculated the time was right in France.

I have just watched Julie Etchingham's interview with Tim Farron on ITV. I thought it was brilliant. If you are cynical about all politicians this interview could change your mind. Tim Farron is an exceptional politician offering a vision of a better Britain.