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Should you vote Liberal?

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whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 12:37:01

Here we go then. I am going to outline all the information I can get hold of without the flim flam and criticism of other parties.

Other folks are more than welcome to join in - but I would ask you keep it as objective as possible without the temptation of trashing the opposition. We can do that on other threads. I always bite off more than I can chew so will appreciate help -cheers!!

This stuff has been kindly donated by another gran whose name escapes me at the moment but I will add it later.

The following can be described as a statement of intent - it isn't the manifesto, so it can be compared to the manifesto when it gets published

Economy/Business
We intend to achieve a growing stable economy

1. Ensure regional growth
2. Embrace new technology
3. Belief in globalisation
4. Live within our means
5. Sensible deficit reduction - but also productive investment in infrastructure, skills and training.
6.Fair corporate tax code - multi-nationals must pay their fair share
7. Help entrepreneurs and small business

Health
We believe in the National Health free at the point of use

1 Additional investment as a matter of urgency
2 we have called for a cross Party commission to look how we can deliver sustainable development for health care in the longer term
3 Belief in healthcare for all both physical and mental health
When in government we ensured additional investment plus the first ever treatment waiting standard for mental health
4. Support to introduce a regulated cannabis market.

daphnedill Mon 08-May-17 21:04:15

Tim is actually quite good on TV and is improving. I think he comes over as sincere and enthusiastic. Those aren't bad characteristics when so many politicians seem scripted.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 21:06:30

Has he passed the children test? I can't recall seeing him with children.

daphnedill Mon 08-May-17 21:07:32

It's Europe Day tomorrow. Celebrate while you still can!

daphnedill Mon 08-May-17 21:08:34

Maybe not, but I'm sure he does fluffy kittens! wink

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 21:09:45

Is that the Dover wall, daphne?

daphnedill Mon 08-May-17 21:10:33

Here you go...

daphnedill Mon 08-May-17 21:11:29

Yes, it is. Banksy has said it's one of his. The workman is chiselling off one of the stars sad

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 21:25:34

Children and dolls! That's a good one.

It's also Liberation Day in the Channel Isles, and Peace Day in Armenia tomorrow.
Careful on Wednesday - Beltane full moon.

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 22:02:22

There's a thing. Should I vote for Tim or not?
The problem is, up here, voting for libdems could let a Tory in!

durhamjen Mon 08-May-17 22:03:29

Mind, Corbyn is good with children, too. Have you seen him reading Going on a Bear Hunt?

GracesGranMK2 Tue 09-May-17 08:45:21

Nick Clegg claims Brexit campaign ‘was biggest con trick in politics’

durhamjen Tue 09-May-17 08:54:00

An excellent article and interview, Gracesgran.
I agree with the response that says true democracy would be having another vote when we know the scale of Brexit.
After all, what are the Brexiters afraid of?

GracesGranMK2 Tue 09-May-17 09:05:50

Indeed Jen. You get the feeling that they may be aware they have conned the country once but could not do it again.

varian Tue 09-May-17 09:13:08

Careful -you're not supposed to criticise brexit. The angry brexiters will tell you to "pack it in!"

GracesGranMK2 Tue 09-May-17 09:18:29

grin I am just saying it as I see it varian.

M0nica Tue 09-May-17 22:28:01

I was a remainer, I am a remainer and I will remain - a remainer. Being on the losing side does not mean you have to compromise your principles and pretend you support the insupportable.

However I am not a remoaner and I believe we should make the best of the bad decision that has been made.

daphnedill Tue 09-May-17 22:43:01

Well said, MOnica. Having said that, I'd be jumping for joy, if a fairy came along and said it had all been a nightmare and the clocks were being turned back a year.

varian Wed 10-May-17 17:07:32

LibDem policy is to look at the negotiated deal and its consequenses, then ask "deal or no deal?" NOT meaning bad deal or appalling deal (jumping off the cliff to become an offshore tax haven for billionaires and forget everyone else). The choice should be "this deal or stay as we are with all the benefits of being in the EU?"

Theresa May has changed her mind about all sorts of things - IN/OUT, election/no election, various policies which were rubbish when UKIP or Labour proposed them but are now those of a "strong and stable Theresa May Team" manifesto.

If she can change her mind what is wrong with asking those who voted for a pig in a poke to think again when they are finally told what that vote could lead to?

Jalima1108 Wed 10-May-17 20:31:00

M0nica I will echo your post.

There is nothing else to do about spilt milk but mop it up and carry on.

durhamjen Thu 11-May-17 17:13:24

Good news for Libdems.

www.indy100.com/article/local-elections-general-election-theresa-may-jeremy-corbyn-tories-labour-tactical-7730151

varian Fri 12-May-17 14:23:47

The leaked version of the Labour manifesto has confirmed Jeremy Corbyn's Labour won’t give the people the final say on the Brexit deal. This comes after Jeremy Corbyn made clear that Labour believes Britain must leave the EU whatever the agreement reached, in an interview with BBC Look North.

Former Liberal Democrat party president Simon Hughes said: “Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour has waved the white flag and given Theresa May a blank cheque to pursue a divisive Brexit. Now this leaked manifesto confirms they are refusing to give the British people the final say over the Brexit deal, no matter how bad.

A better future is available. The Liberal Democrats will stand up to Theresa May’s cold, mean-spirited Britain and against a bad Brexit deal that will cost jobs and put up prices. We will give you the final say on Brexit – with the option to stay in if you don't like the deal on offer."

Ana Fri 12-May-17 15:52:54

Ooh, I see the LibDems are planning to legalise cannabis in their manifesto! That should get a few of the 18-24s into the ballot box...

Jalima1108 Fri 12-May-17 20:07:56

And some of the older ones seem to be in favour

GracesGranMK2 Fri 12-May-17 20:46:36

I would have thought it might be quite attractive to some 60 - 70 year olds and certainly to some for medicinal reasons Ana. It would help to get the really strong stuff off the streets too.

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 21:11:46

Now all you need is for Tim Farron to become PM.