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Should you vote Liberal?

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whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 12:37:01

Here we go then. I am going to outline all the information I can get hold of without the flim flam and criticism of other parties.

Other folks are more than welcome to join in - but I would ask you keep it as objective as possible without the temptation of trashing the opposition. We can do that on other threads. I always bite off more than I can chew so will appreciate help -cheers!!

This stuff has been kindly donated by another gran whose name escapes me at the moment but I will add it later.

The following can be described as a statement of intent - it isn't the manifesto, so it can be compared to the manifesto when it gets published

Economy/Business
We intend to achieve a growing stable economy

1. Ensure regional growth
2. Embrace new technology
3. Belief in globalisation
4. Live within our means
5. Sensible deficit reduction - but also productive investment in infrastructure, skills and training.
6.Fair corporate tax code - multi-nationals must pay their fair share
7. Help entrepreneurs and small business

Health
We believe in the National Health free at the point of use

1 Additional investment as a matter of urgency
2 we have called for a cross Party commission to look how we can deliver sustainable development for health care in the longer term
3 Belief in healthcare for all both physical and mental health
When in government we ensured additional investment plus the first ever treatment waiting standard for mental health
4. Support to introduce a regulated cannabis market.

daphnedill Fri 12-May-17 21:14:40

Why shouldn't cannabis be legalised? Tobacco and alcohol are legal. It would actually help society to regulate cannabis, rather than turning a blind eye.

durhamjen Fri 12-May-17 21:23:17

Can you see the Maybot doing it?

daphnedill Fri 12-May-17 21:24:02

Nope!

rosesarered Fri 12-May-17 21:26:18

I can just see us all sitting there with our spliffs.....watching Gardeners World.grin

daphnedill Fri 12-May-17 21:27:32

Better than dropping bombs on Syria!

Ana Fri 12-May-17 22:13:25

Better give some to Corbyn now he's no longer a pacifist...

Anniebach Fri 12-May-17 22:21:41

I suppose he is no longer a pacifist because as he said about his friends Hamas - with hindsight I was wrong.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-May-17 00:00:42

Monty Don giving us tips on growing and drying - is soil the best medium or is it better grown hydroponically?

Jalima1108 Sat 13-May-17 00:02:06

Monty Don giving us tips on growing and drying - is soil the best medium or is it better grown hydroponically?

I think the idea is rather potty

GracesGranMK2 Sat 13-May-17 08:16:28

You are showing your prejudice Jalima. Why, other than because it is your opinion, would this not work and save so many of the people who are currently costing the NHS and their own health with the sort of cannabis that is around at the moment?

Anniebach Sat 13-May-17 08:49:34

My sister in law use to grow it in her cottage garden, her mother visited her and walking in the garden asked , what's this one?, sister in law replied , day scented stock , it was all she could think of quickly !

Jalima1108 Sat 13-May-17 10:11:14

The foliage is quite attractive !!

However, like tobacco, the smoking of cannabis is in the atmosphere of a house where babies and children inhale it. People will not be 'careful' because many cigarette smokers are not 'careful' about not smoking in the presence of their children.

And yes, I do know about 'skunk' and can see the argument for as well as those against and no, thinking about all the pros and cons and deciding that no, it is not a good idea to legalise the growing and sale of cannabis is not 'prejudiced'.

Can you see the Maybot doing it?
I don't think Corbyn (sorry - the Messiah wink) has any plans to legalise it for recreational use either but would consider its licensing for medicinal use which seems sensible to me.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-May-17 10:15:12

Checked the plants that have grown from your bird seed recently?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-29301803

Jalima1108 Sat 13-May-17 10:17:08

Gracesgran
you obviously did not get my joke
hmm

why does that not surprise me

MaizieD Sat 13-May-17 10:18:48

TBH, Jalima I think that 'smoking cannabis in front of children' is probably a weak argument because it is highly likely to be already happening (and worse than cannabis)

I'm all for the regulation and control of cannabis if it will prevent people moving on to harder drugs. Even if it saves only a handful of people it's worth it. Addiction ruins lives and not just the life of the addicted person.

Anniebach Sat 13-May-17 10:22:34

In the sixties and seventies people were arrested for smoking it whilst doctors were frantically writing scrips for mothers little helpers - Valium

durhamjen Sat 13-May-17 10:28:25

I only ever use hulled sunflower seeds in mine, so they don't grow.
I used to use nyjer, which grows quickly, but even the goldfinches prefer the sunflower.
I have actually tried the Springwatch birdseed trial using three different seeds, and the hulled sunflower seeds went much more quickly.

MaizieD Sat 13-May-17 10:39:21

I don't think that, if cannabis seeds are used in bird seed mix, the resulting plants are the 'right' sort. Some varieties are very low in THCs (the component which produces the 'high' effect)

A type of cannabis that has a minimal amount of THC, as low as 0.5 percent, is hemp, according to the North American Industrial Hemp Council. Hemp is used for industrial and medical purposes.

Some strains of cannabis can have as little as 0.3 percent THC by weight. In other strains, THC makes up 20 percent of the weight in a sample. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports that the average THC concentration in marijuana is 1 to 5 percent; in hashish, it is 5 to 15 percent, and in hashish oil, it averages 20 percent. THC in recreational doses of marijuana is highly variable and the lower the THC content in the marijuana, the more the user must consume to produce the desired effects.

www.livescience.com/24553-what-is-thc.html

GracesGranMK2 Sat 13-May-17 10:42:33

Nope Jalima. Didn't have time to spend on working out who thinks they are making a joke and who is being serious.

Jalima1108 Sat 13-May-17 10:47:59

It was very obvious, not a bit subtle.

Ana Sat 13-May-17 10:55:08

It was, in fact, rather potty! grin

Jalima1108 Sat 13-May-17 10:57:31

sorry, I thought it was very punny
but obviously too frivolous!

GracesGranMK2 Sat 13-May-17 12:48:17

I'm sure it was funny Jalima and you appear to that makes you a 'good' person. I just didn't spot it but I don't believe that makes me a 'bad' person. It was just you making a joke - not the end of the world.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 13-May-17 12:48:42

you appear to believe

durhamjen Sat 13-May-17 13:19:01

You know what they say about people who laugh at their own jokes.....