Should I vote Labour

It is ingenuous to think that there can be a thread about politics which is all nicey nicey and polite. "I think you are sadly mistaken or misinformed, my dear" takes longer to type but means exactly the same as "Yre talkin P**h. It is not surprising that Politics, with Religion and Wealth is banned from after dinner conversation in polite society.

Politics may be a game to some. A verbal jousting tournament where the masses cheer when their Champion scores a direct hit or savage put down against their rival. For others, who rules the country and in what manner is a huge concern, for their housing, health and job prospects, finances, may even be a matter of life or death for the vulnerable. Little wonder then that 'debate' becomes heated.

In the Good Old Days my wise father used to say that you could trust the Tories to 'Do What it Says on the Tin' i.e. look after the interests of the comfortably off people who wanted things to carry on as usual, without disruption to their cosy existence or undue strain on their pockets. CONSERVATIVE policies to preserve the status quo. On the other hand LABOUR, whose very name declared that they were principally for the ordinary, hard working class, shifted their emphasis, under the NEW LABOUR banner to appeal to middle class .voters with a conscience' in order to become electable. Corbyn's attempts to shift policies back to protecting workers rights and so on have met with huge resistance from the middle ground, centrist New Labour supporters while the 'underclass' formerly solidly Labour supporting, have either given up voting entirely or swung to the hard right, blaming 'foreigners' for all ills.

So now we have infighting between factions in both major Parties, which is as vicious, if not more so than the clashes between the individual parties. Add the divisions of opinion on Brexit to the mix and I would conclude that there is nae chance of having a sensible, polite, even handed conversation on this topic.

Strange how there is no death registered for Daniel Blake,

Roses why do you believe public pay had to take a decrease?

Granny23, are you claiming the last labour government didn't help those in need ? Also do you think Labour can win a general election without the votes of those you dismiss as middle class with a conscience ?

Very good summary of the situation Granny23 and of what each of the two main parties did/do stand for.

I was going to stay off this thread but wanted to reply to this referring to nurses' salaries:
and buying a home is now out of the question for people on these sorts of salaries.
Family members, a nurse and a teacher in their twenties, are in the process of buying a property in the London area (without parental help). So some younger people can manage it somehow.

How? Go on! You could make a fortune selling your wisdom.

Sorry Jalima but I don't believe you, unless they're buying a cupboard in one of the seedier parts of the London area. What do you count as "London area"?

I live in London commuter belt and the average price is £440,000. You would be pushed to find anything for less than £250,000 and then have a £5k pa season ticket to London.

Are you speaking to me? How rude.

Is no-one allowed to challenge dogmatic statements with true alternative facts?

It's not my wisdom, it is theirs.

perhaps they are buying in what you call a 'seedier area'.
perhaps want to get a foot on the property ladder.
Some areas of London seemed to be quite down at heel when we lived there but are now extremely desirable.

but I don't believe you
Are you calling me a liar daphnedill?

Well said, Granny23. I feel like hibernating until the election is over. It's an absolute farce, but it's quite interesting watching people and listening to what they say.

My MP has just announced he's not standing after 40 years. To be honest, he didn't do much anyway. He was Deputy Speaker for 13 years, so didn't even vote. I wouldn't be surprised if he's shunted off to the Lords.

The front runner is a special advisor to May and led the ground operations for VoteLeave. He's involved in the election expenses fraud. It's not just Labour HQ which tries to get its favoured candidates into safe seats. Whoever wins this constituency is guaranteed a job for life.

Well, explain how.

Bloody hell daphnedill, Jalima doesn't have to explain anything to you! (cross now)

Unless, of course, he ends up in jail, daphne, because of the election expenses fraud.

Daphne, I am baffled, my three grandchildren have received private tutoring, several of my friends who are retired teachers give private tutoring. Do you do you tutoring during the night , cannot be dsy or evening with the number of posts from you and all that googling?

Jalima is not a liar and deserves an apology

Just read some interesting facts in an article headed Ian Hislop stuns the panel by calling out BBC bias

If you scroll down it talk about some analysis done by Cardiff University which I found quite shocking.

Another good thing is that youngsters are registering to vote now.

Is there still some sort of discount for essential professions like teachers and nurses? A member of my family rented a London property from a teacher who had bought the flat at a discount and rented it out.

If someone posts something that seems to be completely implausible, why not challenge it?
What's wrong with asking for a few facts and figures.
Well the people who will get to choose Daphnedill will be local members of the party in question. And if they have a crumb of sense, they won't want someone who could be prosecuted any day now.

Is there not a difference between - would you explain how this was achieved v I don't believe you?

Rod Liddle in his Sunday Times weekly pisstake called "Liddle's got issues". I like his irreverence about almost everything. He's not a Tory. In fact he is from the north-east of England and describes himself as someone who has never voted Tory. Yet.

In answer to Eloethan.

This is why some of us who had voted Labour for years stopped supporting the party when Blair showed his true colours and are now supporting it again.

www.thecanary.co/2017/04/30/tony-blair-intervenes-in-the-election-and-lets-slip-what-he-really-thinks-of-theresa-may/

Yes - certainly if was a new poster or one we know ittle about, in reply to the first part of your post JessM.