Should I vote Labour

Jen, you are rsther find of posting links to the Guardie, but in fairness you are rather fond if posting links, full stop

You must read different articles in the Guardian to me, then, Annie. I don't see it as supporting Labour

So, if it doesn't support Labour do you read it for some balance DJen? And which publications support Labour and Corbyn?
I don't generally read a daily paper, only occasionally if I go to Waitrose to pick up a free one.

The Daily Mirror and the Morning Star, the communist newspaper

I only buy it on a Saturday. The rest of the week I buy the i.

Sorry, bags, but there is no way I am going to read Times articles. Behind a paywall means I have to sub the Murdochs.

Murdochs not right wing?
Pull the other one.

Am I correct in believing the 'i' is owned by Alexander and Evgany Lebedev who also own the Evening Standard ?

If that is correct perhaps one day George Osborne will be the editor.

Or am I mistaken.

Remembering the reason given by Jen that Corbyn refused to share a platform with Cameron because of camerons politics I do wonder

If he were PM. How would it work in N.I. Remembering his open support for Sinn Fein

Will he refuse to take part in any discussions in the EU with any leader from the far right.

Who said the Murdochs are not right wing, jen?

Who even implied it?

I actually have no idea what the owners of the Times think about anything at all. I don't care either. They own the Times. They don't control its content.

I don't believe, bags, that you know nothing about what the Murdochs think. You must be the only person in the country who does.

thatbags
"Three-quarters of newspaper stories about Jeremy Corbyn in the first months of his leadership either distorted or failed to represent his actual views on subjects, a study has found.
"Academics at the London School of Economics analysed the content of eight national newspapers between 1 September and 1 November 2015, when Mr Corbyn was first elected.
The media researchers found that in 52 per cent of articles about the Labour leader, his own views were not included – while in a further 22 per cent they were “present but taken out of context” or otherwise distorted. (Independent 2016)

These for instance:

"The Independent Press Standards Organisation (Ipso) found the newspaper [The Sun] had been “significantly misleading” in a September story that wrongly alleged the Labour leader joined the Privy Council to gain millions of pounds for his party.

"After months of wrangling over an accuracy complaint, The Sun agreed to put a correction on its cover, but buried it with four lines at the bottom left corner of the page." (Independent 2015)

"The pictures of Jeremy Corbyn ‘dancing’ at a Remembrance Sunday service reveal he was in fact walking and gesturing alongside war veteran George Durack.

"The Labour leader was temporarily caught up in a storm of controversy over the weekend when photos released by photographer Steve Back led to him being branded “disrespectful”.

"Stories in the Mail Online and Sunday Sun were subsequently taken down with a spokesperson for the former saying the photos were “not as billed so it’s disingenuous to show the picture”, adding: “He was actually engaged in a conversation with a war veteran but the photo was cropped.”

"[Durackl] The 92-year-old told the newspaper he had known the Islington North MP for 30 years, and that Corbyn takes the memorial “very seriously”. (HuffPost November 2016)

You are entitled to your opinion, jen, but you are wrong. I have never knowingly listened to or read anything a newspaper owning Murdoch has said.

Thank you, eloethan. Well, that proves my point, that I don't read right wing papers or, presumably, I'd have seen stuff like that.

You believe what you want, bags, in la-la land.
Harold Evans left as editor of the Times after a year because of Murdoch's editorial interference.

You must waste a lot of money on avoiding Murdoch's right wing bias.

I think the Lebedevs have sold the 'i'.

"Such lack of sovereignty and independence by the editor has been prevalent throughout the Murdoch empire. ‘I give instructions to me editors all round the world, why shouldn’t I in London,’ he told Fred Emery, home affairs editor of the Times, on 4 March 1982. However, since 1983 all four of Murdoch’s London papers have taken a consistently pro-Conservative government line and so there has been no need to interfere. According to a report on the Sunday Times’ ‘Insight’ team, this is how the system works: ‘Murdoch appoints people who are sympathetic to him. Thus most of the senior staff like Hugo Young have left or been completely emasculated or replaced… To survive you have to self-censor. You approach a story in a different way than if you’d run it in the way you wanted to.’ (pp. 20-1)."

Johnston Press owns the i.
That's the group that publishes your local paper as well.

You have no idea what my political beliefs are, jen. I'll tell you one of my beliefs though: it is that you have been expressing narrow-minded, judgmental opinions and making negative personal comments that say more about you than about me.

I find it quite odd that so many people seem to think that hearing or reading opinions or ideas that differ from their own is somehow contaminating. It's a very uneducated view. Hearing other sides of arguments can strengthen far more than it weakens.

Last comment is with reference to recent no-platforming and censorship in universities which, of all places, should be open to the expression of any and all ideas if only so that they can be refuted with rational debate.

Small reminder for jend. I don't only read the Times.

Can you show me where I have said that I know anything about your political beliefs, bags, because I can't find it.
I know you quote from the Times just as I quote from the Guardian.

I always thought that on GN we were allowed to express our political beliefs without being called narrow-minded, judgmental and uneducated.

Oh well, I've learnt something about you today.

And don't piss about by saying you didn't call me that, you just said my ideas were like that. It doesn't wash.

thatbags I love you.

I will 'piss about', as you call it, in exactly that way, jen. There is a difference. People can change their minds about opinions and beliefs so ideas are not the same as people. It's a pity so many people don't understand that. It would save a lot of bother if they did.

Do you have to have said you know anything about my political beliefs for me to have told you you don't? Rhetorical question: the answer's no. I simply informed you because I felt you were making wrong assumptions.

Love you too, soop ?