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whitewave Tue 25-Apr-17 13:07:35

Anyone got any information we can put onto this thread please?

daphnedill Wed 10-May-17 21:46:48

It's worth reading this blog to find out how the Conservatives escaped prosecution.

thesecretbarrister.com/2017/05/10/myth-busting-the-tory-election-fraud-a-10-point-guide/

durhamjen Wed 10-May-17 23:54:12

And this about how May stage manages her meetings with the public and the press.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/05/10/a-member-of-the-public-finally-got-to-talk-to-theresa-may-and-said-he-preferred-corbyn/

Many of the tweets from Michael Crick.

Ginny42 Thu 11-May-17 07:43:02

So it's all stage-managed with questions submitted beforehand so Team May can prepare answers for her to deliver? Crikey, even I could do that!

This information should be more widely publicised. I particularly like the idea that journalists should table one question and when the time comes, ask something completely different!

whitewave Thu 11-May-17 07:43:27

It seems to me that if May wants to prove that she is S&S (it is beginning to sound very dodgy) than she could do no better than allow herself to be questioned by the voter and any hostile press (is there such a thing?) to show how well she can stand up to any pressure. We could then make our minds up as to how she will do in the negotiations as that is what she is trying to sell to us.

She has proven nothing as yet. Except her ability at reputation management, which we already know to be outstanding!

FarNorth Thu 11-May-17 10:57:28

From dj's link :
"What shocks me is reporters collaborate with May press team by agreeing to reveal their questions to them in advance"

Even for non-fans of links, this one is worth a look for the cute cat video!

FarNorth Thu 11-May-17 10:58:15

^^ dj's one, that is.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 11-May-17 11:08:41

It is quite shocking that the press are colluding in such a way Daphne, Ginny and whitewave. I do think the BBC, at the very least, should be asking questions about this.

I'm afraid I would not even say she has proved her ability for reputation management whitewave. As you say - what reputation?

What she has proved is that she can sell lies and that many in this country are happy to believe them.

daphnedill Thu 11-May-17 12:30:36

May has lied about the CPS decision. I suppose she reckoning on most people not reading the judgment.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 11-May-17 12:41:38

She really does seem to be following the Trump rule book for winning elections but I suppose that is OK for some.

daphnedill Thu 11-May-17 12:52:44

This is a link to all the major party manifestos since 1945:

www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/man.htm

I've just spent some time looking at some of them. They're mostly too long to summarise, so (sorry) anybody interested will have to click for themself.

What's interesting is that some of them (even some Conservative ones) seem more "communist" than the leaked Labour draft manifesto.

It just shows (to me at least) that people aren't really interested in issues - or, at least, they believe the headlined version of them.

daphnedill Thu 11-May-17 12:57:33

Ever since Lynton Crosby was hired as strategist for this election, it's been obvious that May is following a carefully orchestrated plan.

It was Crosby who was responsible for the "dog whistle" racist strategies in Zac Goldsmith's bid to be London mayor.

angelab Thu 11-May-17 13:05:26

I haven't read all the thread so apologies if someone has already commented on this: how come when it comes to Brexit the 'will of the people' must be followed yet she's willing to have another vote on fox-hunting? We've been down this path and already banned it, so how come it is OK to revisit that but not Brexit?

daphnedill Thu 11-May-17 13:07:08

I agree 100%.

whitewave Thu 11-May-17 13:07:14

Because the supreme leader is all knowing and no questions must be asked except those she wants to answer.

daphnedill Thu 11-May-17 13:09:25

Because without horses for hunting there would be less need for a stable. grin

angelab Thu 11-May-17 13:12:34

I see from the BBC

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39880844

that the BofE has cut the growth forecast. Well, this is going well, strong and stable, strong and stable, strong and stable..

whitewave Thu 11-May-17 13:20:29

S&S S&S S&S

Sounds sooooo dodgy. Perhaps it's the leather trousers?

Ilovecheese Thu 11-May-17 13:53:17

angelab
The will of the people didn't count in Manchester either when we had a referendum about whether or not to have an elected mayor. A resounding NO from the people. Now we have an elected mayor.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 11-May-17 14:27:44

I seem to remember conjured pictures of old fashioned Tory MPs (male of course) and their stern (Strong?) nannies and the more I hear of May being "Strong and Stable" the more that picture is lodging in my mind - and it is not a good one [embarrassed].

In the workplace, there has been a disappearance of strong, stable and secure organisations, which once appeared to offer jobs for life but only if you signed up to absolute loyalty and control by the company. This was where workers looked for promotion within the hierarchy, a regular percentage pay rise and defined pensions.

The young are now used to and often prefer portfolio and protean careers where they have a sense of ownership and expect to move from employer to employer, job to job and even career to career, multiple times, often seeming to wander but, if they have assessed it right, giving them the lived experience they want not just the one they believe they have no choice but to follow in order to remain secure. The person, not the organization, is managing their life.

I think those who feel they are benefiting from this new way of planning their lives will want it in other areas too. However, it is not surprising that those who once saw Labour, for instance, as able to provide stability of the type workers of their age expected are now moving to the Conservatives because the new working environment is not understood as something that can be for the good.

Having been let down by the so called "strong and stable" time after time, both where businesses are concerned and politicians, they still crave the nanny/parent figure that makes them feel secure - even though they are now intelligent adults and not children. This is summed up in the idea that the biggest change in all our lifetimes must be handed to Nanny May and not decided upon by the grown-ups who, though capable of voting her in to power are not deemed capable of taking that particular decision once what it actually entails has been clarified.

angelab Thu 11-May-17 15:15:10

Quite.

durhamjen Thu 11-May-17 17:08:53

Another reason not to vote Tory.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-disability-cuts-tories-election-benefits-welfare-a7729096.html

rosesarered Thu 11-May-17 17:12:30

The biggest and best reason to vote Conservative is....Jeremy Corbyn.

durhamjen Thu 11-May-17 17:24:20

Another reason not to vote Tory.
May tells lies.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-conservative-expenses-scandal-refuse-apology-candidates-nothing-wrong-tories-election-a7728486.html

"However – despite Ms May’s claims they “did nothing wrong” – it said there was evidence of inaccurate spending declarations, but it did not meet the test for further action.

The statement said: “In order to bring a charge, it must be proved that a suspect knew the return was inaccurate and acted dishonestly in signing the declaration.

“Although there is evidence to suggest the returns may have been inaccurate, there is insufficient evidence to prove to the criminal standard that any candidate or agent was dishonest.” "

Meanwhile, the Metropolitan Police is still investigating the former Tory treasurer, Simon Day, for allegedly “knowingly or recklessly making a false declaration”.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 11-May-17 17:44:05

So you want Nanny May roses?

rosesarered Thu 11-May-17 17:50:05

That seems to be the feeling in the country, when people are interviewed in the street and asked what they think of Corbyn.Anything at all not to end up with him.

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