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Can we really Trust Teresa May with a blank cheque?

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James2451 Sun 07-May-17 13:38:59

‘We need to seriously remind ourselves that we are being asked to cast a vote that will affect not just our lives today, but the future of generations to come’.
I desire a fairer and decent society, one that does not impose severe austerity packages on low and middle earners and so many young families. In fact, for most of us the quality of life for our own grandchildren and their prospects and safe future."

I am deeply worried about giving Teresa May and many of her RW extremists a blank cheque to do what ever they want over the next five years. I am not assured at present that we can trust her and the extreme dogma of many of her MP's. We have no guarantee she will be in office for the full term, look what happened to Maggie.

Her unwillingness to inform the Country what Brexit will mean if she gets her on way with the EU and she is not even prepared to debate her election policies on TV for us all to hear and give our approval,or dissent is worrying. Forget about Corbyn that is a red herring excuse given to protect her from facing the camera's and the Nations scrutiny.
Her term in office at the Home Office has not been the brightest for any leading conservative minister, nor as her ability been questioned to the full to be able to lead our nation through the trouble waters likely to be ahead after Brexit, her ability is still an important unknown factor.

No, I cannot fully put my trust in her at present, I need to have far greater assurances far better than the rude way she behaved at the dispatch box and at the rostrum outside number 10 last week.

We need to be quite clear the election is NOT on Brexit it is on policies for healing and improving the quality of life of the nation over the next five years. I want a bright future for my grandchildren, I am not sure that Teresa May knows how to achieve that with her political dogma, or that I can presently 100% trust her without her being willing to debate her policies in front of the Nation. She is possibly more worried about Nicola Sturgeon than Jeremy Corbyn.. A landslide victory is likely to send the wrong messages to her backbenchers for more draconian policies and I do not believe that is what the nation needs for our grandchildrens future. I am therefore coming round to voting Lib Dem.

durhamjen Mon 22-May-17 22:28:29

(It was discussed a bit on the paying for social care thread, but it's no fun when the Tories won't try to stick up for her.)

whitewave Mon 22-May-17 22:31:12

No.

Her performance was dreadful.

I think that it is quite rational to query her competence.
After giving away her leverage over Article 50, she then went on tohaving her bid for preliminary talks rejected, then put red lines on such issues as food packaging which she cannot deliver, and failed to play to her strengths in her relationship eith Sturgeon.

She has clearly made too many unforced errors which have limited her room to manoeuvre
It all suggests a worrying level of incompetence. Her actions do suggest that she is not that sure footed.

James2451 Mon 22-May-17 22:38:31

Teresa May seems to be very badly briefed and is not showing the leadership qualities she boasts of every day.

We do need a progressive policy to cover the crisis in Care, if she had said we shall produce and consult on a green paper on Care.
That would have gone some way to addressing one of the big problems with the social care system, which is that the neediest can pay a very disproportionate amount for their care. There are no easy solutions to the failures of successive governments to get to grips with this issue, but this proposal as set out by Sir Andrew Dilnot could form part of a better system.
Her badly thought through proposals have sharply highlighted her lack of leadership qualities which her opponents are,exploiting.

whitewave Mon 22-May-17 22:42:24

How many u-turns to date?

Açording to newsnight she has carried out at least 5-6 u-turns.
Strong and stable? I think not.
As they said shes playing into Brussels hands, as she clearly is open to changing her mind and isnt so strong as she tries to make out

Rigby46 Mon 22-May-17 22:46:29

It also seems to be the case that most of the cabinet did not know about the social care proposal and that her favourite adviser's Nick Timithy's fingerprints are all over it.

durhamjen Mon 22-May-17 22:47:40

Meltdown Monday!
The first time an election manifesto pledge has been broken before the election.

whitewave Mon 22-May-17 22:49:22

It questions her ability to make policy
She doesnt listen, nor does she last well under pressure.

Rigby46 Mon 22-May-17 22:54:10

But it's not even a U turn is it? It's an 'oh my god wtf just happened I don't know what we're going to do about it all options are on the table we'll have a green paper and loads of people and organisations will waste time telling me what they think but I'll just listen to the DM and do what they say and anyway once stupid voters have voted me back it'll serve them right when I start means testing health care state pensions WFA sorry meant social care now where was I?'

durhamjen Mon 22-May-17 22:54:26

No new money for the NHS.

durhamjen Mon 22-May-17 22:56:36

Not on the front page of the DM, by the way. Can't understand that.

durhamjen Mon 22-May-17 23:23:43

May in denial.

Ginny42 Mon 22-May-17 23:35:02

I've got a hunch she may resign.

Ginny42 Mon 22-May-17 23:41:32

Is there not an image of JC 'sneaking the back door of No 10'? Another of her claims today.

Ginny42 Mon 22-May-17 23:48:16

Is there not an image of JC 'sneaking in the back door of No 10'? Another of her claims today.

Ginny42 Mon 22-May-17 23:48:48

Odd. Sorry about the repetition.

MaizieD Fri 26-May-17 12:12:53

Not quite sure where to post this but as it's about May I suppose it fits here.

From Richard Murphy's blog this morning:

These really are measures of incompetence. But I accept people would expect me to say that. So take the word of Matt Chorley of The Times who is madly anti-Labour (as you would expect) and who wrote in the Red Box email (which is free and I consider essential daily reading) this morning:

"Three weeks ago I wrote that despite being likened to Margaret Thatcher and Jesus, May was actually not very good. She is fine at reading things out but terrible at answering questions or responding to criticism. I was surprised by the number of senior Tories, under sworn secrecy, who got in touch to say that in the privacy of their own thoughts, they agreed.

Support within for the PM in the Tory party, even among ministers, is wide but pretty shallow.

I admit now I made two mistakes in that column. First, I predicted the correction in public opinion would come after June 8, when May had to make big decisions and her mettle was tested. It has come much sooner.

And I ended by saying: “But it’s fine because she is going to win, and win big, and I will be removed from my bed in the middle of the night to be taken to a camp and re-educated.”

I admit I was wrong. The idea that May will win big now looks, if not impossible, in serious doubt."

The whole blog is worth reading, and the comments.

This video is also interesting:

realmedia.press/watch-richard-murphy-theresa-may-hiding-hard-brexit-ge2017/

rosesarered Fri 26-May-17 12:20:09

The non campaign that the Tories have waged, linked to an unpopular ( even if the right things to do) manifesto have done them no favours.However the massive giveaway with free everything from Labour has swung a lot of voters, and it's hard to see that even with a good campaign and a slightly better manifesto, how they could have competed on the promise of free Uni tuition and maintenance grants.
If you were a parent with children aged 14 and upwards , how would you honestly be voting?

rosesarered Fri 26-May-17 12:21:12

In the end, most voters vote for things that affect them directly and not for the good of the whole country.

MaizieD Fri 26-May-17 12:23:50

Also, I know it's a bit 'old news' now but the transcript of May's weekend interview with Andrew Neil really seems to bear out Matt Chorley's comments. It's a Masterclass in how to avoid answering any questions, make yourself look completely unable to answer any questions and throw in a dash of contempt for our intelligence (does she really think that people will find her non -answers indicative of a capacity to lead?)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/andrew-neil-interviews-theresa-may-full-transcript/

MaizieD Fri 26-May-17 12:29:08

In the end, most voters vote for things that affect them directly and not for the good of the whole country.

Interesting, roses. So what is there in the tory manifesto which you think is going to have a positive effect for you?

rosesarered Fri 26-May-17 13:24:17

I am not most voters MaizieD and can afford the luxury of not wanting anything for myself, so can vote for the best party in my opinion to run things.
However for cash strapped households, they cannot afford to do that, and would be very altruistic if they did so.

rosesarered Fri 26-May-17 13:27:25

When one party is promising very little except more of the same and a few unpopular ideas ( which may be the right things) and another is promising all things to all men, it would be surprising if the first party had a landslide win.....in fact they won't have a landslide now, even though they could have done if they had run a good campaign.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 26-May-17 13:29:24

Thanks for putting that on Maizie. I am convinced that there are those waiting to do to May exactly what they did to Thatcher.

We just need May to say something to show up that she actually knows they are going to hand over a broken economy - broken for the many but fairly obviously not for the few.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 26-May-17 13:30:37

I am not most voters MaizieD and can afford the luxury of not wanting anything for myself, so can vote for the best party in my opinion to run things.

Is that the arrogance of the Tory voter I hear?

whitewave Fri 26-May-17 17:35:19

I have been meaning to ask for ages - well Manchester took up my thoughts - but why did Andrew Neil ask May if she intended staying for the next governmental term? It isn't something that is generally asked.