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Can we really Trust Teresa May with a blank cheque?

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James2451 Sun 07-May-17 13:38:59

‘We need to seriously remind ourselves that we are being asked to cast a vote that will affect not just our lives today, but the future of generations to come’.
I desire a fairer and decent society, one that does not impose severe austerity packages on low and middle earners and so many young families. In fact, for most of us the quality of life for our own grandchildren and their prospects and safe future."

I am deeply worried about giving Teresa May and many of her RW extremists a blank cheque to do what ever they want over the next five years. I am not assured at present that we can trust her and the extreme dogma of many of her MP's. We have no guarantee she will be in office for the full term, look what happened to Maggie.

Her unwillingness to inform the Country what Brexit will mean if she gets her on way with the EU and she is not even prepared to debate her election policies on TV for us all to hear and give our approval,or dissent is worrying. Forget about Corbyn that is a red herring excuse given to protect her from facing the camera's and the Nations scrutiny.
Her term in office at the Home Office has not been the brightest for any leading conservative minister, nor as her ability been questioned to the full to be able to lead our nation through the trouble waters likely to be ahead after Brexit, her ability is still an important unknown factor.

No, I cannot fully put my trust in her at present, I need to have far greater assurances far better than the rude way she behaved at the dispatch box and at the rostrum outside number 10 last week.

We need to be quite clear the election is NOT on Brexit it is on policies for healing and improving the quality of life of the nation over the next five years. I want a bright future for my grandchildren, I am not sure that Teresa May knows how to achieve that with her political dogma, or that I can presently 100% trust her without her being willing to debate her policies in front of the Nation. She is possibly more worried about Nicola Sturgeon than Jeremy Corbyn.. A landslide victory is likely to send the wrong messages to her backbenchers for more draconian policies and I do not believe that is what the nation needs for our grandchildrens future. I am therefore coming round to voting Lib Dem.

durhamjen Tue 06-Jun-17 22:20:23

"Following the financial crash caused by the irresponsibility of the banks, governments were wanting to cut spending. They discussed the issue at the World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos in 2012.

I remember the TV coverage of people gliding in on their own private jets.The WEF comprises Governments, the top 1000 Transnational Companies and Media owners. This is where the transnational capitalist class does its work

of extending the influence of global corporations. At that time Simon Stevens, now the boss of the NHS, worked for the biggest US health multinational insurance company UnitedHealth. Two WEF reports were written. The second

report, entitled 'Sustainable Health Systems: Visions, Strategies, Critical Uncertainties and Scenarios(2)', examined "structural scenarios of the future which could be used to inform present-day thinking*". 'Sustainability', code for

cuts, must be achieved through transforming supply. The report went on to outline exactly the type of changes we see in the Five Year Forward View, of which the STPs are a huge element. At that time Simon Stevens himself, was

head of UnitedHealth's Global Division, and acted as Project Steward of the Steering Board for the first World Economic Forum report. So he stewarded the first report and is implementing proposals from the second, in England.

Not only that but West Yorkshire STP lead Rob Webster was a workshop participant there. Amanda Doyle, STP lead for Cumbria was another.

Simon Stevens was recruited by the Coalition, directly from United Health in 2013 to dismantle the English health service. United Health has been aquiring contracts under the NHS logo with its English name Optum. Already one

area has Optum as both Commissioning Support and 'provider of services.' What conflicts of interest are there? The councils do not have a veto, whether they subscribe to the STP plans or not. This was revealed in the House in

response to a question by Jusitn Madders MP. The public have not been consulted, nor have they voted on any of this."

This is what is happening to the NHS. It was carved up years ago by DAVOS, because they knew there was lots of money to made out of it.

DON'T LET THEM DO IT.
Your children and grandchildren will not forgive you for this.

durhamjen Tue 06-Jun-17 22:45:02

Mayhem can't be trusted with the police, either.

durhamjen Tue 06-Jun-17 23:40:49

Something else May wishes she'd never said.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/06/06/wouldnt-you-say-laying-the-uk-open-to-terror-attacks-was-naughtier-than-running-through-a-field-mrs-may/

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 07:51:44

Looking back now over the campaign and Mays part in it , it is clear that the more exposure May gets the less people like what they see and hear
Her instinct has always neen to avoid difficult questions and up to now her submarine tactics have served her well. But she cant get away with it as the Prime Minister.

Her use of tautology is rather than a useful tool to get a point across become a source of amusement which as a result given her the nickname of Maybot - a name even used by her own mps. Her ability at communication has been shown for what it is -bad. The ability to communicate is one of the paramount qualities of the negotiator in chief.

But most of all her manifesto, empty of real detail and failure to cost shows that this country is being governed on a wing and a prayer
There is no plan other than to cut the state - a long term project - to at least 35% of GDP. Something below every civilised western state in Europe and beyond.
A country in which we cannot possibly be proud.

Brexit will now loom large and all experts -remember them? - are becoming alarmed at both the ignorance shown and lack of planning by this government.

But hey dont worry -Dacre and Murdoch approve -so it will be OK as long as we have got supportive headlines in the filthy press.

The sad thing is that her exposure has not been long enough for the message to get through- there is an alternative

durhamjen Wed 07-Jun-17 08:02:54

There is another plan - to take away our human rights.
I can't believe she wants to do that, and thinks it's a good thing to announce two days before the election.

Welshwife Wed 07-Jun-17 08:17:07

I saw a report this morning (Independent I think) which said that due to the police cuts 84 dogs have been put down - some very young dogs - and no sniffer dogs were on duty at the Manchester arena or on London Bridge. It seems there could be an alternative - retire these dogs early and home them with police families and bring them out as reserve dogs if they are needed - not sure why this route is not followed.

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 08:24:15

Yes there was a report where there was a desparate plea by a police officer for dogs in a serious incident. None were forthcoming

GracesGranMK2 Wed 07-Jun-17 08:25:54

The biggest thing is that May cannot be trusted with is her own manifesto. Even today she is telling us things that are not in it. The Conservative manifesto is the only thing she HAS to adhere to - not all the infill we have heard and the manifesto is so thin it is basically anorexic.

She has very little to which she can be held accountable but we do know what she will do to pensioners; we do know what she will do to the NHS and we do know what she will do to you if you become disabled.

durhamjen Wed 07-Jun-17 08:27:05

It is in some places, Welshwife. I know someone who is a retired policedog handler, who took his dogs with him. They are still used occasionally.

Welshwife Wed 07-Jun-17 08:32:42

Yes DJ I knew a police handler who kept his dog but I think some of these sniffer dogs were very young - maybe that had something to do with it.

rosesarered Wed 07-Jun-17 08:37:14

Many policeman used to ( and presumably still do) keep the dogs as they build up a good relationship with them.

rosesarered Wed 07-Jun-17 08:39:56

Amusing how it's called 'the filthy press' because they don't print the things some Corbyn voters like.I assume the clean press are the left wing bias newspapers.

durhamjen Wed 07-Jun-17 08:43:44

Agreed about the manifesto, GracesGran.

"In her speech last night May said: “If human rights get in the way of doing these things, we will change those laws to make sure we can do them.”

This flatly contradicts the commitment in her own manifesto not to rip up or amend the Human Rights Act before Brexit (at least two years away) or to withdraw from the European convention on human rights for at least the next five years. Derogation, which would be needed, amounts to a temporary and partial withdrawal from the convention.

“We will not repeal or replace the Human Rights Act while the process of Brexit is underway but we will consider our human rights legal framework when the process of leaving the EU concludes. We will remain signatories to the European convention on human rights for the duration of the next parliament,” says the manifesto."

She's changing it on the hoof.
Keir Starmer has just said that the Human Rights Act has not prevented any actions against terrorism - and he should know.

Cindersdad Wed 07-Jun-17 08:52:10

Neither Theresa May nor Jeremy Corbyn can be trusted with a blank cheque. After tomorrow when the dust has settled we will have abetter of how the nation as a whole thinks. The point has been that within Gransnet and our circle of friends we tend to hear opinions we agree with.

My views have not changed on Brexit or PR, both of which may be lost causes. Most of us agree that the NHS, Education and Security need protection from swings to the left or right.

Whatever happens in the Brexit negotiations there is a strong case from giving the people a choice or at least allowing a free vote in parliament on the outcome.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 07-Jun-17 08:52:27

So nothing about the May manifesto which has become a chameleon - changing to suit the day Roses. Just an attack on posters on here who comment on the right-wing press. Nothing new there then. Just attack a Gransnetter seems to be your mantra.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 07-Jun-17 08:55:09

They are not lost causes until you stop fighting for them Cindersdad - don't give up.

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 08:58:50

So nothing anti democratic about a press whose editorials are controlled by right wing and in some cases far right tax avoiders. Who have no stake in this country other than the ability to ensure they pay as little or no tax.

They spew filthy headlnes and history has shown that they are not above breaking the law. Dacre has May in his pocket

rosesarered Wed 07-Jun-17 09:02:56

Good post Cindersdad nobody is given a blank cheque, and that is what an Opposition is for in Parliament, and vox pop in the streets and a free press.

GGM2 you seem to be obsessed with the word attack , word of the week?
Anybody else would just call it a comment.

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 09:11:31

Someone has added another catchy phrase for Maybot, to describe her refusal to answer questions

Sly and slippery

GracesGranMK2 Wed 07-Jun-17 09:22:49

Someone has just commented that Theresa May has behaved on a witness protection scheme. Good laugh to start the daygrin

GracesGranMK2 Wed 07-Jun-17 09:23:35

behaved like someone!!

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 09:41:21

Don't forget that Dacre wants the power to elect judges- he can then use his paper to influence the law. May is in his pocket

whitewave Wed 07-Jun-17 09:43:58

Don't forget May fought the judges over immigration, saying that they were "acting illegally". May never forgets a grudge, how easy to persuade her for Dacres case?

Tegan2 Wed 07-Jun-17 10:19:45

yes; good post Cindersdad.

angelab Wed 07-Jun-17 10:46:56

welshwife if that is true about the dogs, it is absolutely disgusting, they could have been found homes through e.g. the Dogs Trust. Where did you read/hear that?