Should I vote Labour Mark 11

daphnedill so sorry to hear your situation, and I thought I was badly off. Have always worked but like you gave no thought to a pension so didn't pay into employers' scheme, then worked overseas where couldn't pay into UK pension and no NI icontributions, so state pension has big holes too. Currently working to support mortgage but don't know what I'll do when I have to retire..

Actually roses, we were having a discussion before certain posters decided to make it personal.

Once again, you call the current Labour Party far-left. That is not a far-left manifesto!

We were actually discussing why some parts of it (at least) would be beneficial for the economy - not ruinous.

Maybe you'd like to explain why non-repayable maintenance grants for students would be ruinous. They were paid until September 2016 and are still being paid for students who started their courses before then. They are affordable.

The government is still paying the money to the students. The only difference is that it is repayable over 30 years. Payment of maintenance grants doesn't affect current balance sheets, but will affect students who come from poorer homes and,in some cases, might put them off HE.

www.theweek.co.uk/general-election-2017/84508/labour-manifesto-what-the-papers-say

Jeez no daphnedill not at all

I should have made it clear that seems to be many peoples opinion of those who have their own businesses. Apologies if you thought I was getting at you. I absolutely wasn't . Feel awful .

Being hand in hand with the unions and giving them more power is moving far left

"However, The Independent takes a lighter tone, saying: "Everyone agrees Labour’s leaked manifesto will take us back to the 1970s, which is why we must re-elect the Conservatives so they can embrace the future, with policies such as bringing back fox hunting." "

The 'certain poster' wasn't me dd and none of my posts have been personal to anybody ( anyone reading my two posts on the last thread and on here can see that for themselves.)
Yet it is demanded that I explain my opinion of the manifesto.So I have just done exactly that without any malice/ insults to anybody.
So, you were having a discussion between yourselves and did not want a dissenting voice about anything else.
It is an exceedingly far left manifesto dd as most can see.

I actually did think about the future, took out a mortgage when I was 27 and worked bloody hard all my life. I suppose that's what gets me now.

I'm more fortunate than some, but the big problem is housing. I pay £825 a month and barely earn more than that.

I can't get any benefits, because I still have some equity from my house.

I wouldn't be eligible for Jobseekers' Allowance, because my income is over £73 per week and I won't be eligible for Pension Credit, because my state pension will take me over the £159pw limit.

I'm absolutely stuck, but I get on with things as best I can.

It makes me mad (and sad) when people make assumptions - either about me or the poor in general. It's taken me a few years to get over the anger and bitterness.

No, it isn't a "far left" manifesto, roses. Once again you assume what most can see. You assume everybody has the same views as you.

If you would care to discuss, I'd be happy to join in - but not with your random, unsubstantiated comments.

Do any of you actually know what the far left is?

PS. Don't forget to check under your beds! There might be some lurking reds.

The manifesto actually undoes some of the last seven years and takes things back to Blair/Brown. Since when have either of them been accused of being far left?

I give up. Discussion seems to be impossible!

Impossible for me to engage in any discussion with you dd as you are blaming me for all your ills in the world, and are in angry mode.
Yes, I expect quite a few on here do know what far left means, and Corbyn is it

Yet again,post an opinion and get mocked in a post which ends - I give up discussion seems to be impossible. Too funny

Don't give up,*dd*!

I think that 'the far left' seems to be whatever the Mail, The Sun and The Express say it is

And they are perfectly capable of doing an about turn when it suits them, as in their treatment of the cap on fuel prices...

Rosesarered, I agree with you, Corbyn is far left, how can anyone deny this when he fought a campaign to get expelled militants back into the party .

The same Corbyn who I have said often is not a pacifist and been mocked for saying it has now said he is not a pacifist

"Believe the press and these proposals are “hard left” and “radical”. Yet polls show that kicking carpetbaggers such as Richard Branson off our rail network would be wildly popular. Theresa May has swiped the idea of capping energy prices. Raising the corporate tax rate to 30% would be a reversal of George Osborne’s giveaways, but it would put Britain on a par with Germany and Japan and leave it well below the going rate in that bastion of communism, the United States.

The problem with these ideas is not that they’re too radical, but that they’re not radical enough. Even if the trains were taken back into public ownership we’d still need to work out a fair way of subsidising them – and of to what ends they should be used (to funnel wage slaves into London? To form part of a rebuilding of regional economies?).

“But how will you pay for it?” is the knee-jerk media response. A fair question, and another reminder that these proposals come prematurely and without the face-saving maths that Westminster always demands. But why didn’t John Humphrys sink his teeth into George Osborne for throwing tens of billions in public money at big business and the housing market? Why was May not given a hard time over the commitments she must have given to Nissan? “How will you pay for it” is an excellent question. It’s just a shame it only gets asked of things such as health and schools and not of huge corporate largesse."

Aditya Chakrabortty in the Guardian.
He doesn't think it's far left. Neither do any of the others writing in the paper.

Theresa May pinched some of the far left ideas. Why are you not complaining about that, roses?

If Corbyn the lifelong pacifist can become an unpacifist - can't think of a word ?
And who said with hindsight he was wrong to call Hamas his friends, why can't the press do an about turn? Or anyone else ?

One major difference between Corbyn and May is that she thinks she is the Tory party; Corbyn believes in collective responsibility for policies.
The Labour Party is not Corbyn, whatever the rightwing press will have you believe.

If a lifelong labour supporter can change her mind about who she supports, then why shouldn't Corbyn?

It's strange that one main complaint about Corbyn is that he never changes his mind, but he gets mocked when he does.
At least he explains why he said it, which is more than some do.

Corbyn is not the Labour Party, he is of the Momentum - Corbyn party

labourlist.org/2017/05/this-is-the-fourth-general-election-in-a-row-to-be-held-while-britain-is-at-war-corbyn-speech/

We all have differing views and opinions and are free to state them on here, this manifesto is the most far left for a long time and Corbyn and McDonnell are far left politicians, no matter what some posters choose to think.
You can agree with them, and look forward to having them in power, and equally you can disagree and hope to God they never will be in power.
Many Labour supporters will not support Corbyn because he is too far left , Labour is set to do badly in the GE because of this, and also because they cannot under any circumstances imagine him as PM.

Cotbyn is the leader of the Labour Party. You voted for him, Annie.

Sorry, Corbyn.

What's "far left"? Define!

Obviously you cannot explain why you think it's the most far left manifesto for a long time, because there is no reason for you to say it.
Can you give one instance of anyone other than the Sun/Mail saying so?