Should I vote Labour Mark 11

Then end up in the House of Lords

Maizie, Jen they were interviewing people on one of the politics programmes and I was amazed how many people hadn't heard S & S. Apparently this is why they say it so often. The MPs are told that just when they are reaching screaming point someone is hearing it for the first time. It's all part of the art (?) of organisational management I suppose, where the country is the organisation

Spads are a political appointment aren't they?

That must be it Jalima, thank you. Hard cases

Yes, whereas civil servants are supposed to be non-political and completely unbiased

So paid by the party whitewave? I suppose that is what I understood but I would like to know how much government information they get. I just find the idea a bit creepy and would like to know it is all above board - for all parties.

This is an interesting article.
Tory voters who want a decent opposition take note.

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2017/05/13/theresa-mays-vapid-vision-for-a-one-party-state-william-davies/

jalima civil servants are entitled to their political views the same as the rest of the population, the unbiased bit comes in as servants of the government. The endeavour to carry out the governments bidding. They are, through vast experience also able to advise and warn governments.

Our civil service has served us well.

Yes, it has, and so much better than the American system of bringing in all new staff every time an administration changes.

For all who read the Polling news regularly, the other day there was an interesting piece reminding people that the vast majority in the country don't read about or take any notice of policies ( when it comes to voting intentions.)It will sway a few but not enough to make any difference to voting habits.

I would agree about the civil service whitewave and I don't remember seeing any proof otherwise. I too think we are very lucky to have the civil service we do.

That is interesting, roses. And quite sad, in a way.

But, roses, something must be getting to people if they are going to turn out in their 1,000s to give May a thumping majority?

But not policies Maizie in fact the manifesto is not even out yet.
It's an aversion to Corbyn probably, in the end.

So you think 'strong and stable' works better?

Actually, don't reply, I'm off out now for the afternoon

I would think that almost anything works better tbh.

We don't know that the Tories will have a thumping majority ( although it looks it)
But it really looks certain that Labour will lose, at any rate.

I do agree with your post whitewave although one or two have edged very close to the mark in recent years.
Our civil service has served us well.
and long may it continue!

They are, through vast experience also able to advise and warn governments.
They do the bidding of the government of the day which may ignore their advice, only to realise too late that the advice was right in the first place.

Interesting programme on Radio 4 called Political Thinking. At the very end (26 minutes) Nick Robinson interviewed the American Republican pollster Frank Luntz and asked him about the words that Theresa May is using.

I thought it was very interesting. He said she is using the words that Hilary Clinton used and that at a recent focus group they did people liked the words she was using but questioned her empathy and her commitment to what she was saying and whether it was actually 'her'.

Hilary Clinton won the popular vote but lost the college vote. All May needs is the popular vote.
The problem is that it's not just Maybot that needs to talk like a robot.
I noticed in one of the local papers that the Tory candidate for Darlington is not going to a hustings to do with education. Rather foolish, in my opinion. Education is one of the Tory top agenda promises, isn't it?

I thought this thread was supposed to be about voting Labour, not just repeating silly made-up names for Theresa May.

Must think of some good ones for old Jezzer to wind you lot up on the Conservative thread...

About rail privatisation.

twitter.com/peopleforjeremy

Just caught up with Have I Got News For You, they are naughty, referring to a newspaper headline - the labour manifesto took us back to the seventies. One wag said - Corbyn doesn't want to go back to the seventies, he would have to sleep with Diane Abbott again

Not attacking the new Messiah , just giving some a giggle