Should I vote Labour Mark 11

Hello caroline welcome

Since your long,long rant is but a thinly disguised attack on me GG for no particular reason than a long held grudge ( yes, all the posters here except new ones will know that) I think the kindest thing that I can do is laugh at it and now simply ignore anything at all that you write as not worth my time reading.

How many times have you said that, roses?

Caroline, I agree with what you say. Have you seen the link to www.tactical2017.com
I know you don't need it, but you could pass it on if you know anyone in a similar situation who doesn't know the best opposition candidate.

Sorry, liberals, but this does make sense.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/may/12/jeremy-corbyn-liberals-labour-8-june-theresa-may-austerity

"With every passing day it’s clear we are facing a huge choice on 8 June. Theresa May has channelled her inner Dalek for the past three weeks; “strong and stable”; “strengthen my hand”; “coalition of chaos”. She’s maxed-out on the idea that this election is all about competence, and has virtually nothing to say on how she’d actually run the country, or deal with the contradictions brought about by Brexit: access to the single market, the damage to the economy, the Irish border.

In these past few days, though, we’ve been starting to learn what she’d do. It’s a powerful reminder why a May election victory would be a disaster for Britain, even if she is obviously not as extreme as Marine Le Pen. She wants to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands, even though this would mean cutting off the supply of labour that has helped Britain recover from years of austerity. Where would the nurses, care workers, builders and high-skilled employees come from – or the overseas students who bring in so much revenue?

Amid all the crises Britain will face over the next few years, May thinks it’s time to promise a vote on foxhunting. She wants more grammar schools even though it’s clear to anyone who considers the evidence that this does nothing for social mobility. The only liberal policy May has – on energy pricing – is one she nicked from Labour and was trashing only two years ago."

She wants to reduce immigration to the tens of thousands

'sigh' She wanted to do that when she was Home Secretary and failed dismally How does she think the government will do any better now?

Because she's in charge now?

I like the phrase "channelled her inner dalek".

Talking of daleks, an article in the G2 recently said that only 15% of people surveyed had heard the term 'Strong and Stable'

Roses you are being paranoid. I had no one in particular in mind and I really think about you rarely unless you have just pronounced on something as you do.

I have solved the problem of unpleasant / bossy / mocking posts.

When starting a thread on politics in the O/P put a list of ,who must not be criticised , who must be praised, remind posters opinions are not welcome but links and copy and paste long,long,long posts most welcome.

Sorted

Yes, I read that, too. I wonder where they have been for the last month.
Do 85% of the population switch off when the news is on?
I know some on here do, but it's not 85%. Not even 50%, I would think.

I still haven't worked out who are the many and who are the few

Have you also noticed, Maizie, that Tom Watson has surfaced, too, to criticise Corbyn.
I wonder where he's been for the last few weeks. He could go away again for the next month. He wouldn't be missed.

The Forestry Commission includes all the trees that you regularly see logged when driving through forestry plantations.
That's okay for the environment, but not for the ancient trees, the Northern Forest, etc.

I think they are responsibly managed in the main djen although it was alarming to see a large tract of forest chopped down behind a relative's house and wondering if there could be a landslide as a consequence. It has now been replanted and is growing well.
Because of disease there has been a lot more 'logging' lately.

I can't see why Irene Nel is being deported either (it has been on our local news more than once) when other people have been allowed to stay for much less obvious reasons.

www.change.org/p/rt-hon-theresa-may-mp-the-government-to-put-aside-immigration-law-and-use-compassion-for-a-dying-mother

Another link to a petition to allow Irene Nel to stay here with her family

Re: durhamjen Sat 13-May-17 09:41:46

I am surprised that the LP has not backed PR. It would make it a lot easier for Liberals to vote 'anti-May'.

I thought the Irene Nel case had been sorted out Jalima. Was there another similar one?

The reality of our government is that PMs have to deal with 'Events dear boy events' and do so mainly with the guidance of senior civil servants who provide the information on which they base their decisions

Hello Caroline
I think that was probably the case in years gone by - as epitomised, of course, in that great series 'Yes Minister'. Ministers were in charge of departments but the civil servants guided. However, there seems to have been an increased trend in recent years for 'special advisers' to be appointed who appear, quite often, to have been the power behind any utterances from No 10 - one of the most prominent/notorious depending on your point of view being Alistair Campbell. Is this trend continuing and is it a good thing or undemocratic? - after all, these people seem to wield enormous power but are unelected.

I am trying to find out Gracesgran, certainly she was on the local news (very distressing) only a couple of days ago.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-39884855

Very difficult to find anything as googling just brings up last year's reports but this is the one shown the other day

She came on a tourist visa to visit her family then fell ill whilst she was here five years ago.
Her daughter says:
She said: "They've done a medical assessment on Mum, so that to me looks like they're trying to prove that she can fly, to deport her."
But that may not be the case, the medical assessors may decided she cannot fly and must stay here and continue her treatment.

I think the other case was Irene Clennell (similar name)

Good point Jalima. Does anyone know if there is any control on SPADs; what they can know, what they can be involved with, how they are paid, etc.? The do seem to be very involved without with the parties without being elected or part of the machinery of government.

A bit more about 'Special Advisers'(SPADS)

www.markpack.org.uk/68031/special-advisers-who-they-are-what-they-do-and-why-they-matter/

The book reviewed says that they are an important part of government. I don't understand why. As Jalima says, they are unelected and we know very little about them. We know how civil servants are meant to function (impartially and non politically) but SPADs are political animals and appear to be unregulated by any code of conduct. Worrying.