Only labour voters welcome

It's obvious, only Labour voters seem welcome on the political threads, ie.the vociferous left wing try and drown out any opposition.It has been this way ever since I joined GN but has been getting more and more so.Why does anyone think that non left wing posters hardly bother to post, it's not because they have nothing to say but they feel it's simply not worth their while.
The longer that the Labour Party are out of office the worse they become.

Note that in the song it is the " freedom to veer to the left or to veer to the right" A one-party government or a massive and disapproving majority of ANY colour deprives people of that freedom. A healthy opposition and a wide spectrum of political opinion prevents the kind of dictatorship that can arise when one wing of a party has the ascendancy.

We don't all have to have exactly the same angle of twist, whichever direction we twine.

You never go on political threads, do you not,roses?
Thought I had seen you on them quite often, but I must have been mistaken.

This is one of the silliest threads I have seen for quite some time.

I thought threads about threads weren't allowed. This is a thread about the whole forum.

what a lark!!!!

You are entitled to an opinion, WW but so are those who have posted sensible comments on it.

I was once told by someone working in the Civil Service that when determining policies a Conservative government is led by their ideology, whilst a Labour government is led by evidence and facts. This would appear to be reflected in these political threads, where the more left wing posters back up their opinions with research (although this is on occasion not the most reliable evidence), while the more right wing ones appear to go with their gut instincts. This is not to say all Conservative ideology is wrong, but evidence based policies do seem to me to be preferable for the good of the country as a whole. And, the name calling and personally derogatory remarks on here come from both sides. Perhaps that is one thing we could all agree we have in common - we haven't actually grown up yet?

dj You are starting to get personal - the other comments on here are all general.

Surely not Elegran! Who'd have thunk it!

So, as you know RAR, GN will moderate any post that breaks forum rules and, within that limitation anyone can post.

As far as I am aware vociferousness is not against the rules. What would you do? Would you ban someone from putting forward their opinion because you see them as vociferous? Would you actually exclude such posters?

You seem to paint only the left of centre as being the problem and then say "The longer that the Labour Party are out of office the worse they become." Does that make for a thoughtful discussion?

We are midway through an election which looks like a landslide to the Conservatives and people feel very deeply that this - to them - would be a disaster to them, their families and the country. Do you really expect them to an opinion which has no truth (fact) to support it.

To me it sounds as if those who have had their rant on here at those they feel they can insult want people excluded if they will not conform to the sort of debate they want - otherwise what it the point of this thread?

Elegran, you ought to read Annie's comments. You obviously missed her first one. Being personal about me is okay, is it, but mentioning roses isn't, is that what you are saying?

Sorry, it wasn't her first one, but it was before I even knew the thread existed.

"There are those like Jen who said she loves the cut and thrust, there are many who do not."

Is that not personal?

'them to' should be 'them to see' and '(fact)' should be '(fact) and'

I think this is quite a healthy thread actually, started by Luckylegs as it shows how some posters feel.Should that be stifled because other posters don't like it?
It's not a thread about a thread anyway.
Perhaps it will go the way Chewbacca described so amusingly ( and it was a funny and accurate description) or it just may possibly make anyone who makes derogatory comments against any other posters other than left wing, think again.
Also, if the Conservatives win yet again at the GE, will it make anyone who is angry about that outcome,pause and think ....this is what people want this time
Rather than thinking that all who voted for them are stupid or misguided.
Surely we ( as a nation) never thought that in the past did we?We accepted democracy in action.

dj it just amazes me how often you manage to get my name ( nice as it is) into every other post.

.....and that also goes for GG as well.

But roses, don't you remember the devastation after the last GE on here? Some just couldn't believe the result (too much faith in exit polls?) and it took them ages to get back their fighting spirit, but get it back they certainly did!

Jen, that wasn't an attack on you, you said it with pride so I just put it forward as an example of a poster who enjoys the disagreements , I didn't say - I think Jen likes the cut and thrust, I quoted what you said.

Roses are Red no one is getting your name wrong - just using its initials.

No one thinks those who agree with Conservative views are 'misguided' but want to know what it is they think the Conservatives are saying and why they think that is a good thing. As I have said, it is incredibly arrogant to think others should be saying "that's OK then, it's RARs opinion so it must be right."

or it just may possibly make anyone who makes derogatory comments against any other posters other than left wing, think again. I shall continue to say what I choose as long as it is within the rules. If I wrote or it just may possibly make anyone who makes derogatory comments against any other posters other than right-wing, think again., it would be equally as relevant or are you suggesting that this is all one sided or, perhaps that left-wingers should just be banned because you don't like your arguments to be explored - perhaps you would have that from society too!

An argument

a) begins with an arguable premise or claim
b) uses facts and evidence
c) is logical and coherent
d) uses references and credits them

That is what many believe - only a few on here seem to think a prejudice is an argument.

This was never a serious discussion. Everyone can join in on GN and that is unlikely to change.

I've never seen FAR LEFT opinions on here ,socialist opinions but never far left .There is a world of difference

Haha! I rest my case.
I didn't say that my name was 'wrong' just that you manage to get it into every other post.

Most here are like me,homeless, we are not far left or far right, with the exception of a one time poster who supported UKIP I haven't read any far right posts.

Baffles me that I cannot be a socialist because I dislike and don't trust Corbyn yet he is and always has been a trot , I am not and never have been .

And another thing, I have always been a Labour Party member not as claimed by some - one of those who vote for a party because their parents did. I chose socialism because it is nearest to MY Christian beliefs but I know committed Christians who vote Tory.

Anyway I have always had a suspicion my Mum voted for Jo Grimmond because she rather had a thing for him ?

Annie, I didn't say it was an attack. I said it was personal, just like Elegran said my use of roses name ( again, roses) was personal.

I shall view it as a sort of twisted fan mail.?