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Rigby46 Sat 03-Jun-17 17:59:38

My prediction( not hope) is for TM to have about a 40/50 overall majority. I reserve the right to change this prediction up to the announcement of the exit poll. Anybody else have a prediction?

durhamjen Mon 05-Jun-17 08:53:41

Do read this, Ninny, if you want to find out Corbyn's views on shoot-to-kill and how they have been misrepresented by Laura Kuennsberg.

click.mail.theguardian.com/?qs=51e28fd16fa21c51168be8a6f744200ddc9ae240c9fe02c9474e93f725b97e3d368223438a59976be0b455daacf2a4d8

Despite the fact that the BBC was wrong, they are still using the same interview today, unchanged.
I presume that's what you remember as well.

ninny Mon 05-Jun-17 10:12:08

Guardian left wing bias.

Ginny42 Mon 05-Jun-17 10:21:45

Just as valid as right wing bias.

sue01 Mon 05-Jun-17 10:28:24

Just a thought.... if come Thursday the Labour Party win... the next Cobra Meeting will be headed by Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott.

radicalnan Mon 05-Jun-17 10:30:15

I have no hopes at all with this shower we have to choose from such a lack lustre bunch. I read all the papers every day and watch a variety of news and really.....we are being led by simpletons in the media/ politics /celebrities etc.

We need some very different choices next time round!

Lilyflower Mon 05-Jun-17 10:34:05

Corbyn will win and all the little snowflakes who did it will learn what it is to live in an economy crashed by Marxism.

MaizieD Mon 05-Jun-17 10:39:10

Please do explain what 'Marxism' is, Lilyflower, and why we would be 'crushed' by it.

kittylester Mon 05-Jun-17 10:39:52

If it wasn't such an awful prospect Lily, I'd quite like that to be the case. That would teach them.

durhamjen Mon 05-Jun-17 10:40:07

Wow, radicalnan, ALL the papers EVERY day? How do you have time? I am impressed.

ninny Mon 05-Jun-17 10:40:29

Not when they are spouting lies about Corbyn in the left wing press. He a threat to our security, how could he ever chair a Cobra meeting, he's weak, an IRA sympathiser, called Hamas and Hezbollah his friends. He'd be an embarrassment on the world stage.

MaizieD Mon 05-Jun-17 10:41:30

Sorry, I misread,should have said 'and why the economy would be crashed by it'

(especially in view of the fact that the economy has already been 'crashed' by 6 years of austerity and the idiotic Leave vote)

durhamjen Mon 05-Jun-17 10:43:44

Lily, who are these little snowflakes?
My children, my grandchildren?
Other people's children and grandchildren who stand no chance of a decent job or buying a house under the present regime?
Do the students who want a future without enormous debt hanging over them count as little snowflakes?

Granny23 Mon 05-Jun-17 10:48:59

This was sent to me this am with the comment : "Don't let fear influence your decision on Thursday. We need an NHS not trident".

MaizieD Mon 05-Jun-17 10:49:08

Not when they are spouting lies about Corbyn in the left wing press.

And in the right-wing press. As your next comments show.

The problem for Corbyn is that a great many people seem to be stuck with the mindset of playground politics; he who hits hardest is the winner.

Whereas Corbyn has grown up since his school days and realises that very little positive effect is achieved through violence.

tigger Mon 05-Jun-17 10:50:54

For me it is a straight choice - do we want to support a welfare state, look after our elderly, sick etc or..................do we want to be like America?

Ana Mon 05-Jun-17 10:51:41

kittylester! grin

henetha Mon 05-Jun-17 10:59:15

I can't bear the idea of a Labour government with their present leadership team. But I can't vote for the Conservatives with their cruel cutbacks. I used to be Liberal Democrat but Tim Farron has put me me off with some of his ideas. So that makes me a floating voter I suppose, and I will just have to go with my gut reaction when standing in the booth with my voting paper.

ninny Mon 05-Jun-17 11:01:17

MaizieD tell that to the terrorists in Manchester and now London Jeremy Corbyn says nothing will be achieved through violence, so don't worry we won't shoot to kill you if I'm in charge.

libra10 Mon 05-Jun-17 11:02:19

I think Conservatives will win, but with a small majority.

Theresa May really messed up with her manifesto. There was nothing positive in it, compared to Labour, who are promising the moon!

I am voting Conservative as I think they would get the best Brexit deal, but am hedging my bets.

MaizieD Mon 05-Jun-17 11:06:36

It would be interesting, if Labour were to win, to see how many of the current Shadow Cabinet would remain in place and how many centrist former Ministers and Shadow Ministers would come back to the fold. The manifesto isn't really much more extreme (apart from re-nationalisation) than the one they supported in 2015; he's even conceded the point on Trident.

MaizieD Mon 05-Jun-17 11:14:46

Try watching Corbyn's Carlisle speech from last night, ninny

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwUvAJH2ivs

I can't find a transcript I'm afraid but I have watched it and this quote, as reported by the Carlisle News and Star is absolutely accurate:

Following earlier questions about whether he supported police ‘shoot to kill’ tactics, he said: “Our priority must be public safety and I will take whatever action is necessary and effective. That includes full authority for the police to use whatever force is necessary.”

Dharmacat Mon 05-Jun-17 11:19:06

Yes, libra10, I too believe the conservatives will win with (I hope) a reduced majority. However, I do not agree they have the skills of negotiation to effect a good Brexit - they are too arrogant and dismissive. Take the main players - Theresa May, Boris . Davies, Amber Rudd etc. have narrow vision, a fixed agenda and personalities which do not like to be thwarted.
To negotiate one has to be able to consider all possibilities and take account of the views of others, even if you do not agree, then move on through realistic discussions to a compromise. You must not let your anger and frustration show as that only alienates the other side.
Whilst I do not view Corbyn as a statesman in the modern sense - lacks popular charisma, he does have a quiet, determined manner and would be more likely to effect a better deal without "rolling over" to the rest of Europe.
As others have said, table banging and threats will not solve anything.
p.s. - the BBC Labour -biased - ha -ha you must be joking!

daphnedill Mon 05-Jun-17 11:28:00

During a debate a couple of weeks ago, our Conservative candidate said that the UK would leave NATO, if the government didn't get the Brexit deal it wanted. The candidate laughed and said she didn't have a problem with that (leaving NATO or walking out of Brexit negotiations), which I find quite frightening.

This is an ultra-safe Conservative constituency, so this candidate has a job for life if she wants it.

daphnedill Mon 05-Jun-17 11:31:41

I agree with you, Dharmacat. There is no way the BBC is Labour-biased. Do you remember the student from Question Time, who claimed he'd be broke if zero-hours contracts were abolished? It turns out he was a fraud. Why doesn't the BBC weed out this sort of person?

zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/zero-hours-student-is-stinking-rich.html

Hm999 Mon 05-Jun-17 11:39:36

Our public services have been decimated in 7 years. We, as the older generation, know that and need them, as do our grandchildren. I was one of the first to vote at 18, I believed then, as I do now, that I should vote for the good of the country, not my pocket. I think we have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to vote for a PM who feels much the same. Thursday's result depends on how many agree. It will be very close, probably hung.