London Fire -2

We don't know that either dd

Yes, we do, roses. You choose to ignore it, that's all.

fullfact.org/economy/did-mps-vote-against-homes-having-be-made-fit-live-in/

According to News Night last night, it's not the Governments' regulations that are at fault it's the building industries regulators. Regarding cladding and insulation this as stipulated by the Government, should not be less than the minimum A2 for flamability.

Yet, plenty has been supplied and fitted with a lower rating of B2 which is below that stipulated by the Government. Where in some instances claims were made prior to fitting that a combination of lower grade materials would improve safety re flamability, not all carried out tests to ensure this was indeed the case before installation.

I've just come on to this thread and amthat according to Anniebach's post TM has been called a murderer. I agree with POGS this is not a one party problem, it's one hell of a problem for any council regardless of the political party that leads them, if under their watch Gov. guidelines have been circumvented.

Any party and/or individual who seeks to gain a political advantage in the wake of such a tragedy should hang their head in shame.

I agree. Yes, we do know rosessarered. Watch the video I posted on this thread and read the article from the BBC. What I wrote is that that there are questions to answer and there certainly are.

'The government opposed a recent amendment that would have introduced such a rule for private rented properties, saying that it would add unnecessary regulation and cost to landlords, and ultimately higher rents for tenants.'

The government opposed an amendment that would make homes fit for human habitation because it would cause too much extra red tape.

Did you read my link Smileless? It goes into this issue in more detail.

It was all to do with the culture of cutting red tape and self-regulation.

www.24housing.co.uk/news/cih-at-risk-tower-blocks-could-be-demolished/

No I haven't read it yet daphnedill but I will. Surely though a "culture of cutting red tape and self-regulation" is not something that can be laid at the door of the Government who ever may be in power if that has resulted in Gov. regulations being ignored. That is the sole responsibility of those choosing to ignore Gov. regulations.

The overall impression I've been given since this terrible tragedy is that it's the fault of the Gov's. austerity measures. If a lack of funding to LA's meant that the minimum safety regulations for cladding couldn't be met, surely it would have been better not to have fitted it at all.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/27/grenfell-tower-gas-pipes-left-exposed-despite-fire-safety-experts-orders

Except that K&C did not have a lack of funding. They had lots of money to pay for the fireretardant cladding.

Of course it's the responsibility of government to make sure that regulations are being enforced. Would you leave a bunch of two year olds to "play nicely" and let them get on with it for hours?

We might as well not have any laws and just let people do what they think they can get away with.

So the government should race around checking every new and renovated building meets with all regulations,?

This thread is just used by some to score political points, shameful and it disgusts me.

I find people with such a lax attitude to safety shameful and disgusting.

It is the government's role to set the standards. It didn't. It relaxed them and boasted about it.

Did you see on BBC News this evening that a couple of weeks ago the Fire Brigade wrote to ALL London councils about the risk of fire in tower blocks. I do not think it was totally to do with the cladding but a number of factors.

Annie knows that. Her family is in the building trade.
She is just trying to score political points, and failing.

I find people who use grief and death for political gain shameful and disgusting

Yes, I saw that Welshwife.
HSE are telling all inquirers to contact Scotland Yard.

What political gain, Annie?

Excuse me AB but did you just say that YOU think this thread is just used by some to score political points and that YOU find that shameful and it disgusting.

A comprehensive list of questions that should be asked.
skwawkbox.org/2017/06/28/consulting-engineers-41-grenfell-questions-that-demand-answers/

Been meditating on this thread, realised, it's Cirbynites practising their hero's kinder politics

I thought it was the job of local planning departments to check that fire regulations were complied with when building or alterations were undertaken, not the government of the day. Westminster is not directly involved if I wish to buld an extension to my house using unsafe materials. I have to file an application with my planning department, specifying what materials will be used where, and a representative later comes to sign off the extension.

I don't expect a Parliamentary visitation.

Our firm is just finishing a barn conversion, I am expecting a member of the government to pop down and inspect it

I have looked for and found the Building Regulations &c (Amendment) Regulations 2016 www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/490/regulation/2/made and searched it for the words "fire" "combustion" and "combustible" None of these appear.

It may be that some other relevant words appear, and show that the regulations on fire safety have been relaxed, but I couldn't find it and I have to go out soon. Perhaps someone with more time on their hands can do more and settle whether the regs have in fact been relaxed by legislation or whether it was just an intention.