May blocked granting rights to EU citizens *before* she was PM

Jane10

Why are you, and other Gnetters, so ready to tell other people what to do?

It's really odd behaviour IMO

Did Jane tell you what to do? I read it as telling you to do what you like but don't expect it to make a difference.

As you say, Jane 10, brexit is astupid thing to do, so why on earth should those of us who can see that not do our utmost to prevent the damage to our country?

How is complaining about it on here doing anything?

Those who voted for it in the first place were telling those who didn't what to do.

Sometimes doing something has rewards. Some of the EU residents in UK and Brits in the EU sent letters to the Parliamentary committee for exiting the EU and explained the position many European citizens - including Brits- find themselves in and representatives of the group - (who got together on Facebook) - were invited to the HoC to put their case. Another group have had a couple of meetings in Brussels and Guy Vernofstadt answers mails and actually acts on some of the facts he is given - hence this possibility of individual EU citizenship. The EU have spoken of the 48% all the time and been well dispossd to them and the worries they have.
T May is doing UK no favours by the strange attitude she is taking when she hopes for co-operation from the EU to give the Uk a good deal. The European press cannot understand what is going on in the UK.
Anyone who watched QT last evening would have seen the almost uncontrolled anger shown by the Daily Mail columnist - a most ignorant man.

I wondered if he was drunk, Welshwife.

We must not stop arguing the case for remaining in the EU. We owe it to future generations not to acquiesce in something so damaging.

I have noticed that some Gnetters have become less keen on brexit, but I've not noticed any who have moved in the opposite direction. The same applies to people we talk to in RL. Some who voted remain do think that brexit cannot be avoided but that is not the same as agreeing with it.

Perhaps the wider realisation of the likely damage is one factor in making the angry brexiters more angry, the less sure they are of their justification for wanting to leave, the more they refuse to recognise the problems and yhe angrier they get.

Particularly when he was saying the DM was a most accurate and fair newspaper.

It raised a laugh and that seemed to make him angrier.

Elegran what a very Humpty Dumpty way to read Jane's post.

Elegran read my post exactly as I intended it.

Of course she did -bless.

You were Humpty Dumoty-ing as well

I don't understand, Maizie, how one person could block something like that. I know in the EU every country has a veto, but I didn't realise that rule was used in the government. It doesn't sound very democratic to me.

Nelson and Katwala seemed to think that May's opinion was given more weight because she was Home Secretary at the time. On the strength of that, presumably that position carries more weight than most other cabinet positions.

I wondered that, too. But perhaps they'd decided that it needed a unanimous decision.

Whatever it was, it gives the lie to claims that the EU not being willing to reciprocate was stopping us giving unconditional assurances to EU citizens.

Ref Jane10

I read it as telling you to do what you like says Elegran.

Those words 'telling you' rather give the game away, I think.

Saying, as whitewave and maizie have, - there is a growing crisis in healthcare staff levels due to a massive drop in recruitment of healthcare professionals from the EU, farmers are reporting difficulties in recruiting agricultural workers for fruit picking, etc., no-one seems to have any idea how our representatives are going to negotiate an exit from the EU whilst at the same time making overtures to and entering into lengthy and complicated discussions with other large economies - is not opinion it is fact.

So just saying, as ninny did, "I don't agree with your opinion" is a statement based on nothing. What counter-argument do you have to address these fairly major issues? You may well not care about guaranteeing the position of EU workers here but if no assurances had been given to them, there may have been an influx of disgruntled elderly pensioners returning to the UK, requiring housing, health care and pension credits.

Added to all these issues, May does not command a great deal of confidence or respect here or in the EU - and no one really seems to know what is going on. It doesn't look too impressive at the moment - and the EU negotiators have said as much.

I don't think that Theresa May was ever a Remainer. I think she just pretended to be one because she thought that was going to be the winning side.

It is often said or implied that that Theresa May is callous, vacuous in her wanting ' Reciprocal Rights ' for the EU Nationals in the UK and obviously likewise the UK Nationals living in the EU.

Theresa May also wants the UK once it has left the EU to reinstate the UK Courts to have total control of our Sovereign Nation and not the Eurooean Courts as obviously we will not be member of the EU.

Can anybody define why the EU side do not find this agreeable?

As far as I can see it by not making an agreement ASAP they are in fact saying we still want control as if you are still a member.

The latter point is where the issue is evident and not accepted over the Single Market also. How the UK can stay in the Single Market if it does not abide by the 4 Pillars / Freedoms of the Free Movement of Goods, Services,People and Capital has never been explained to me yet. The EU state it is ' none negotiable ', ' no cherry picking '.

Negotiations are 2 sided but I don't see that there is much in the way of common sense coming from the EU either.

I don't think anyone has ever said that she is callous in wanting reciprocal rights.
What I don't understand is why UK citizens in the EU are not seen as EU nationals, which is what they are until we leave.
Why does May not agree with the other EU-27 countries?
Why does she want things to be different for UK citizens?

What I didn't understand was why she said she hoped the EU would match her offer when their far superior offer was published for all to see a couple of months ago.
I am hugely pleased and relieved by what the EU wants to offer us UK citizens in the EU. We do need Theresa May to reassure us about our health cover and pension increases but she hasn't seen fit to do that yet.

Don't worry mamie be patient she'll give in.

I suppose EU feels that its citizens need a court they can go to for any dispute it may have with the U.K. Govt.

The Human rights Court is not an EU court but a European one so they might be in play too.

If the UK wants to trade with The EU it will need to abide by the rules and regulations for manufacturing and keeping/packaging etc so will not be able to ditch those. Much of the 'red tape' Boris and Mike talk of getting rid of would mean no trade with Europe.

What we need to watch is that things are not ditched for the sake of it or things which will impinge on working people by making their rights a lot less.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/23/eu-expats-condemn-theresa-may-pathetic-offer-on-brexit-rights