May blocked granting rights to EU citizens *before* she was PM

TM seems to think that being a "bloody difficult woman" is some sort of achievement and expects anyone on the other side of a negotiating table to cower and concede. Some hope! This is the polar opposite of an effective negotiating strategy.

She is very weak, and has been weakened by the election designed to "strengthen her hand", putting our country in a much more vulnerable position.

The sort of deal we might end up with is likely to be one no patriotic Brit would ever want - and we should have the chance to reject it and stay in the EU, albeit in a much weaker position than we are now, but better than jumping off that cliff.

We only have to put up with her because the Tories are shit scared to get rid of her.

Maybots fair and generous offer is rapidly going the same way as S&S

May is so weak and being tied to the corpse of a hard Brexit is draining her authority.

What is striking is how little evidence May shows at listening to the voter.

Nothing could have been made clearer at this election than what the voter wants is an end to austerity and a raise in living standards.

But no- on she trots - still twittering about reducing migration as being the priority.

It is always the case and governments generally re cognise it that the pound in peoples pockets will top everything else.

The big problem is that even a year after the Brexit vote TM and the government cannot articulate a clear and detailed plan of what they want the UK's post Brexit relationship with the EU to be. The government seem to speak only in vague platitudes.

The rest of the EU are starting to find the UK's behaviour very odd and want them to get on with the Brexit process (many thought that TM was unhinged to delay the process just after starting the clock by calling the snap election).

I think the basic problem is that the Conservative party is still divided internally regarding what sort of Brexit they want to negotiate - even during the referendum some were arguing for a Norway-style (soft) Brexit whereas others argued for hard.

Some 'pundit' sort of people still seem to think that we need austerity to pay off the debt and has been shown on here that is not true at all. Perhaps some people on here should be explaining things to them - the ones who understand and -and can remember!- how the economy etc works.

Dimbo Davis is the biggest embarrassment. Although saying that it is a government of lightweights and dodgy characters.

Interesting that Davis didn't rule out standing for PM after May on the Marr show.

Yes I saw that dj Hammond to be interim apparently. What a mess

David A Green a FT reporter, lawyer and blogger

Says you cannot believe anything coming from the government about EU negotiations

jackofkent.com/2017/06/the-significance-of-the-uks-climb-down-today-on-brexit-sequencing/

David Allen Green.

George Osbourne is game playing ...obnoxious! Theresa May says that is certainly not her recollection of events which may well suggest that she pointed out that looking at all the implications rather than sound biting (David C was good at soundbitibg!) might be wisest. I don't think she is mean spirited!

If she did block

Whitewave Why is Davis an embarrassment?

Davis is an embarrassment because he isn't the brightest spark in the box. The EU have already said that they wish that we chosen someone with a bit more savvy. Just watch him on the Marr show

theconversation.com/still-too-many-holes-in-theresa-mays-promise-to-eu-citizens-80016

May still hasn't said what rights they will have.
She said she doesn't want families to be split, but they already are, as you can't bring your family over unless you are earning a certain amount. £35,000, I think.

durhamjen you must be happy though, as your own relatives are guaranteed to have all their rights.....as I always thought that they would do.

When May was asked at the press conference about Osborne's accusation she replied that that wasn't her recollection .... a rather weak response and a sure sign of it being true!

If you're accused of something you would surely deny it with more vigor.

Not true, roses. You should listen and watch.
They will lose the only voting rights they have at the moment, to vote in local elections.
They will also lose the protection of the European Courts of Justice.

"The UK offer on the rights of EU nationals makes clear that after Brexit they will lose their right to bring in a spouse to live in Britain without meeting an £18,600 minimum income threshold and possibly their future voting rights in British local elections. They will also lose the protection of the European court of justice, which will no longer have jurisdiction over citizens’ rights in the UK."

Three important rights that they are losing. They will not have the same rights as British citizens, will they?

They will also have to carry round with them a settled status identity card.
Not quite the same as UK citizens.

Oh come on dj why let facts get in the way when you're living in Humpty Dumpty land?

I must get my head around this as it is happily totally transparent from Europe and presumably they will publish the UKs offer, even though our government would like to keep it from us?

'But several key areas including issues of healthcare, professional qualifications and the rights of the self-employed are put in a negotiating category of “seek to ensure continuity” rather than a UK unilateral guarantee.'

Not quite guaranteed to have all their rights.

All those people who spent lots of money and filled in those 85 page documents will have to reapply.

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/eu-citizens-permanent-uk-residency-must-reapply-post-brexit/

I agree with Paul Mason.
Why should people be given settled status and still be denied the right to vote?

www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2017/jun/26/eu-residents-vote-non-citizens-taxes