Aimed at the Wrong People?

mcem do you have anger issues ....... Enjoy your evening ......

I feel that the adoration by the young at Glastonbury for Corbyn is indicative of our youths appalling lack of a political education.
Please stop calling Corbyn and McDonnell( especially) 'socialists'. They are Communists plain and simple. McDonnell has advocated violence as a means to their political ends via his love for Stalin & Trotsky , both guilty of murdering thousands. I was in Berlin when the wall came down and will never forget the tears of relief I witnessed from East Germans. People were hugging each other and sobbing in the streets.
I do not want Communists in Downing Street and giving the exposure to Corbyn at a music festival predominantly attended by the young was a cynical, opportunist political act. Since the BBC takes my licence fee each month I don't expect it to be used to show party political broadcasts when I want to watch some bands. Shameful. What next? McDonnell walking on to speak in a theatre interval?
I feel frightened for our youth because they are being hoodwinked by a couple of Pied Pipers and all their youthful enthusiasm and potential entrepreneurial skills are being 'radicalised'.
There must be balance. I wonder how much our youth have been taught about the architects of Communism- Stalin, Trotsky, Marx, Engels, Gramschi, Mao etc etc and the havoc and misery they have caused
in various parts of the world? Very little I feel. Our schools and university tutors paint a very rosy picture .It is distorted and dangerous for our democracy.
"Hey teacher! Leave them kids alone!"

As a recently retired SENCo, this is something I have seen. In some kinds of schools ( yes, I am from the independent sector!) we find that some children never have 'down time' to just be children and learn how to amuse themselves. They have all the toys but no time to just chill out and play with them themselves.
They are children not mini adults!

Oops wrong thread!

Just middle class teenagers filling the pockets of former tree hugging hippies..who amazingly have become succesSful wealthy capitalists off the back of them...not Jeremy Corbyn's thing I would have thought....Double standards springs to mind!

Yes Birene they are ultra Socialists at the very least , if there is such a thing, definitely wolves in sheeps clothing.

JaneD3..... I didn't like to point it out to you ( wrong thread) most of us have done it.

Perhaps this link will try to explain part of the point I was making:
www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/does-working-class-need-ask-its-labour-party-back

The analysis points to:
In other words, working class voters, voters not educated to college level, and voters in ethnically homogeneous areas love Corbyn’s Labour Party even less than they loved Miliband’s. Meanwhile middle class voters, those educated to college level or higher, and voters in ethnically diverse areas love it even more.

So - is he aiming at the wrong people?
Preaching to the converted?

Not true, Jalima. The latest polls are showing that the majority of C2DE voters (especially in the youngest age groups) voted for Labour. Although the overall percentage of them who actually vote is still low, there was a significant increase in the last election.

Going by your last post Jalima I'd say yes, preaching to the revelers at Glastonbury was preaching to the converted. After all isn't that why he went there? To be assured of a rapturous welcome.

By the way, I live in an ethnically homogenous area (most of us are White British), but the area most emphatically didn't vote for Corbyn.

All the evidence suggests that Corbyn appealed to many disaffected voters, who hadn't voted before or hadn't voted for many years, because they didn't see any difference between the major parties.

I was linking to statistics provided by someone from Bristol University.
Polls are polls and not often accurate.

He was invited so he showed up, made an excellent speech and served a few beers, nothing to get your knickers in a twist about.

they probably would have invited May but thought wouldn't turn up.

Although I live in East London whose inhabitants are, on average, significantly less well off than other parts of London, the road I live in is quite a nice one and, judging by the amount of home improvements going on, a relatively well off one. However, during the last election campaign there were several Labour posters displayed on it.

Just because someone is fairly comfortable, doesn't mean they won't vote Labour. Conversely, just because a person is quite poor doesn't mean they will vote Labour. In London, and especially in less wealthy areas, it is inevitable that you will be living fairly near "poor people" - and a variety of different nationalities. Those who aren't happy about that - like a Conservative friend of mine who has decamped to Essex - usually move further out as soon as they are able. I, and many of my other friends - mostly Lib Dems, Greens and Labour, but including a few Conservatives - have lived here for 30 years or more. Just because you have a couple of Lib Dem friends with delusions of grandeur doesn't mean that they are representative of Lib Dems - or indeed anybody but themselves.

She was in Liverpool being booed at.

Well, exactly, Eloethan, although I wish you'd stop sending all your Conservatives to Essex .

What's this about LibDems with delusions of grandeur? I'm a LibDem and I've never met a bunch of people who are "less grand".

The most significant indicator of voting intention at the moment is age with about 45 being the turning point.

Thank you for linking that piece jalima
Virtue signalling middle class romantics like Corbyn himself Sums it up.

To be fair dj, May wasn't treated too badly in Liverpool.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/joe-anderson-reveals-what-said-13237129

If you've read the New Statesman article, you'll see that Dan Allington admitted he was wrong when he thought Corbyn's appeal was all about virtue signalling romantics.

I follow Dan Allington on Twitter and there are some quite heated exchanges between him and political scientists. As time goes on, they're able to build up a bigger picture, as more polls are done.

IPSOS Mori poll (after 2017 election)

..many times to Glastonbury. It's just a laugh, in a bubble, too much alcohol etc to be bothered with politics!...who's to say how old you gotta be to do anything!

Anya I do hope so. The only reason he got so many votes is because he made loads of promises he could not possibly hope to keep, because there just wouldn't be the money.

Goodness daphne, it really is only the old and the middle-aged rich she is winning with.

Very strange, that, considering they are the groups threatened most by May.