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Aimed at the Wrong People?

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Jalima1108 Mon 26-Jun-17 16:27:31

Was Jeremy Corbyn's speech at Glastonbury aimed at the wrong people?

The well-heeled and privileged people who paid £238 each for their tickets, teepees or glamping extra, running into the thousands of £, cheering him on and lauding him are not the disaffected living in poverty whom he champions. Do they not see the irony in this as they go back to their middle-class comfortable lives, recycling their rubbish and urging us to 'look after the planet'.

This is from last year but I am sure it is just the same this year. Brand-new tents left behind, mounds of rubbish to be cleared up by others - who cares who clears it as long as they don't have to soil their own hands. Someone will do it - probably on a wage less than a quarter of what most of them will earn.

'Takers of the system' as the commentary says:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=y70LCoK-XMA

And the fence - the fence!! Perhaps Donald Trump could take a lesson on how to build a huge fence to keep out the hoi-polloi, the less than desirable who cannot afford a ticket.

Who said that Glastonbury is 'The Most Bourgeois Festival on the Planet'? Was it someone from Iron Maiden? Can't remember now but I do remember someone mentioning it.

Oh, the irony.
Obviously Jeremy Corbyn didn't understand that, nor did the crowds he was addressing.

Teddy123 Tue 27-Jun-17 18:16:20

mcem do you have anger issues ....... Enjoy your evening ......

Birene Tue 27-Jun-17 18:44:31

I feel that the adoration by the young at Glastonbury for Corbyn is indicative of our youths appalling lack of a political education.
Please stop calling Corbyn and McDonnell( especially) 'socialists'. They are Communists plain and simple. McDonnell has advocated violence as a means to their political ends via his love for Stalin & Trotsky , both guilty of murdering thousands. I was in Berlin when the wall came down and will never forget the tears of relief I witnessed from East Germans. People were hugging each other and sobbing in the streets.
I do not want Communists in Downing Street and giving the exposure to Corbyn at a music festival predominantly attended by the young was a cynical, opportunist political act. Since the BBC takes my licence fee each month I don't expect it to be used to show party political broadcasts when I want to watch some bands. Shameful. What next? McDonnell walking on to speak in a theatre interval?
I feel frightened for our youth because they are being hoodwinked by a couple of Pied Pipers and all their youthful enthusiasm and potential entrepreneurial skills are being 'radicalised'.
There must be balance. I wonder how much our youth have been taught about the architects of Communism- Stalin, Trotsky, Marx, Engels, Gramschi, Mao etc etc and the havoc and misery they have caused
in various parts of the world? Very little I feel. Our schools and university tutors paint a very rosy picture .It is distorted and dangerous for our democracy.
"Hey teacher! Leave them kids alone!"

JaneD3 Tue 27-Jun-17 18:46:06

As a recently retired SENCo, this is something I have seen. In some kinds of schools ( yes, I am from the independent sector!) we find that some children never have 'down time' to just be children and learn how to amuse themselves. They have all the toys but no time to just chill out and play with them themselves.
They are children not mini adults!

JaneD3 Tue 27-Jun-17 18:46:45

Oops wrong thread!

W11girl Tue 27-Jun-17 18:49:46

Just middle class teenagers filling the pockets of former tree hugging hippies..who amazingly have become succesSful wealthy capitalists off the back of them...not Jeremy Corbyn's thing I would have thought....Double standards springs to mind!

rosesarered Tue 27-Jun-17 18:51:11

Yes Birene they are ultra Socialists at the very least , if there is such a thing, definitely wolves in sheeps clothing.

rosesarered Tue 27-Jun-17 18:52:38

JaneD3..... I didn't like to point it out to you ( wrong thread) grin most of us have done it.

Jalima1108 Tue 27-Jun-17 19:55:18

Perhaps this link will try to explain part of the point I was making:
www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2017/06/does-working-class-need-ask-its-labour-party-back

The analysis points to:
In other words, working class voters, voters not educated to college level, and voters in ethnically homogeneous areas love Corbyn’s Labour Party even less than they loved Miliband’s. Meanwhile middle class voters, those educated to college level or higher, and voters in ethnically diverse areas love it even more.

So - is he aiming at the wrong people?
Preaching to the converted?

daphnedill Tue 27-Jun-17 20:12:21

Not true, Jalima. The latest polls are showing that the majority of C2DE voters (especially in the youngest age groups) voted for Labour. Although the overall percentage of them who actually vote is still low, there was a significant increase in the last election.

Smileless2012 Tue 27-Jun-17 20:16:34

Going by your last post Jalima I'd say yes, preaching to the revelers at Glastonbury was preaching to the converted. After all isn't that why he went there? To be assured of a rapturous welcome.

daphnedill Tue 27-Jun-17 20:16:48

By the way, I live in an ethnically homogenous area (most of us are White British), but the area most emphatically didn't vote for Corbyn.

daphnedill Tue 27-Jun-17 20:18:55

All the evidence suggests that Corbyn appealed to many disaffected voters, who hadn't voted before or hadn't voted for many years, because they didn't see any difference between the major parties.

Jalima1108 Tue 27-Jun-17 20:21:58

I was linking to statistics provided by someone from Bristol University.
Polls are polls and not often accurate.

LumpySpacedPrincess Tue 27-Jun-17 20:33:25

He was invited so he showed up, made an excellent speech and served a few beers, nothing to get your knickers in a twist about.

they probably would have invited May but thought wouldn't turn up.

Eloethan Tue 27-Jun-17 20:39:09

Although I live in East London whose inhabitants are, on average, significantly less well off than other parts of London, the road I live in is quite a nice one and, judging by the amount of home improvements going on, a relatively well off one. However, during the last election campaign there were several Labour posters displayed on it.

Just because someone is fairly comfortable, doesn't mean they won't vote Labour. Conversely, just because a person is quite poor doesn't mean they will vote Labour. In London, and especially in less wealthy areas, it is inevitable that you will be living fairly near "poor people" - and a variety of different nationalities. Those who aren't happy about that - like a Conservative friend of mine who has decamped to Essex - usually move further out as soon as they are able. I, and many of my other friends - mostly Lib Dems, Greens and Labour, but including a few Conservatives - have lived here for 30 years or more. Just because you have a couple of Lib Dem friends with delusions of grandeur doesn't mean that they are representative of Lib Dems - or indeed anybody but themselves.

durhamjen Tue 27-Jun-17 20:39:53

She was in Liverpool being booed at.

daphnedill Tue 27-Jun-17 21:05:49

Well, exactly, Eloethan, although I wish you'd stop sending all your Conservatives to Essex wink.

What's this about LibDems with delusions of grandeur? I'm a LibDem and I've never met a bunch of people who are "less grand".

The most significant indicator of voting intention at the moment is age with about 45 being the turning point.

petra Tue 27-Jun-17 21:06:23

Thank you for linking that piece jalima
Virtue signalling middle class romantics like Corbyn himself Sums it up.

daphnedill Tue 27-Jun-17 21:07:29

To be fair dj, May wasn't treated too badly in Liverpool.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/joe-anderson-reveals-what-said-13237129

daphnedill Tue 27-Jun-17 21:13:11

If you've read the New Statesman article, you'll see that Dan Allington admitted he was wrong when he thought Corbyn's appeal was all about virtue signalling romantics.

I follow Dan Allington on Twitter and there are some quite heated exchanges between him and political scientists. As time goes on, they're able to build up a bigger picture, as more polls are done.

daphnedill Tue 27-Jun-17 21:39:44

IPSOS Mori poll (after 2017 election)

Sweetness1 Tue 27-Jun-17 21:58:07

..many times to Glastonbury. It's just a laugh, in a bubble, too much alcohol etc to be bothered with politics!...who's to say how old you gotta be to do anything!

Peaseblossom Tue 27-Jun-17 22:07:10

Anya I do hope so. The only reason he got so many votes is because he made loads of promises he could not possibly hope to keep, because there just wouldn't be the money.

GracesGranMK2 Tue 27-Jun-17 22:32:09

Goodness daphne, it really is only the old and the middle-aged rich she is winning with.

durhamjen Tue 27-Jun-17 22:53:03

Very strange, that, considering they are the groups threatened most by May.