Aimed at the Wrong People?

No, it wasn't peaseblossom, but I'm bored with arguing the point.

May should listen to Michael Heseltine:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/conservative-voters-dying-off-lord-michael-heseltine-tory-part-elderly-support-base-pensioners-a7798386.html

That's interesting, daphne, but why would May getting out make any difference to that?
Corbyn's older than she is, and can tap in to the younger generations. I can't think of any Tory who would do that.

I think Heseltine is just using it it have a pop at May, because he hates her.

He's not really talking about the ages of the politicians, but the voters and he's right. The majority of under 45s voted Labour in the last election. The problem for Labour is that the number of over 45s outnumber the under 45s. The pyramid shows that and is probably more uneven in practice, because there is a high number of non-voting EU citizens in the under 45s group.

The highest numbers of switchers in the last election in the last election were in the 25-35 group (not the youngest) and it's easy to understand why. They're the ones who are having to delay getting mortgages and starting a family, who are affected by cuts to tax credits, are having to pay higher pension contributions, are finding it harder to find good jobs, etc, etc. They are strongly Remain.

Corbyn relates better to people and most younger people appreciate that.

Well, my 25 year old son has returned home from his fifth Glastonbury visit. He and the three friends of his that we took to the festival returned home complete with clothes, tents and sleeping bags. The only things they did not return home with were approximately six cases of beer/cider, although my son has assured me that their rubbish was disposed of in the correct allocated locations.

He is not rich, privileged, well heeled or any of the other veiled insults thrown around on this thread. He is a young man who loves music, loves festivals in particular, and lives at home, and can therefore spend most of his income, after his bills have been paid, on following his interests. He and his friends save all year round to be able to pay for their tickets. (For my son, this is likely to change as from next week, as he is starting a new job which will entail him leaving home and living independently, and finding out how good things were living at home and how damned expensive is when you live independently!)

As for the insults also being bandied around at the performers - clearly these are assumptions by the ill informed. The headliners may be rich outside of the festival, but they don't get rich from the festival, as per this quote from Emily Eavis, the organiser - "She told BBC 6 Music’s Matt Everitt that acts earn “less than 10%” of what they could make at other festivals.We're not in a situation where we're able to just give people enormous amounts of money," she explained. "So we're really grateful for the bands that we get, because they're basically doing it for the love of it"

Yes, there are older bands, but Glastonbury has over 100 stages, not all of which are decided to the bands shown on the BBC highlights shows. There are many different types of performers, some well known to many, some well known to a few, and there is the "introducing stage" where new bands get their chance to perform to new audiences

I am told that Glastonbury is a non profit making festival, and that all monies after expenses are given to charity (charities?)

The rubbish left behind at ALL festivals, is depressing and shocking. At Glastonbury if tents etc are properly packed up and placed in a specific location(s) they are donated to charities. However, it isn't feasible for staff to go around the various camping areas on the farm and collate bits and pieces of equipment and make "whole tents" out of the bits and pieces, and so those abandoned tents are just dumped. It is disgraceful, and the abandoned equipment is left behind by the whole range of festival goers, be they rich, "poor" (but still able to find the money for a week's debauchery), left wing, right wing, old or young. Every "type" is guilty of this and should be ashamed of themselves.

And as for Jeremy Corbyn - doesn't he ONLY turn up to preach to the converted, or where he is assured of a "whoop whoop" response? My son was enthralled to have seen him, and said that JC got the biggest cheer he'd heard at the festival all week. However I do think it made the week very politically biased, and even if "they thought Theresa May wouldn't show up", if they should have invited her and/or representatives from all political parties. It is primarily a music festival, not a political call to arms.

Oh my, somebody got out of the wrong side of bed. There is never a reason for being rude to other people on here. I don't believe that Glastonbury or any other festival is the place for any politician to give a speech.

I wonder if this age group realise that Labour support brexit and presumably if they were to get into power would continue with the UK's withdrawal from the EU?

Forgot to say, I love Glastonbury but consider myself too old to attend anymore. I do however watch it on TV, my husband and I are certainly not rich or priviledge, just music lovers, as I suspect are all the festivalgoers. Incidentally, some of my friends still attend and they are not rich either.

Judging from the crowds seen on the TV footage there are many older music fans at Glastonbury, and some of the acts over the years are older than us!

I can't find anything more recent than this 2015 article:

Telegraph

A 2013 census from Festival Insights found that 20 per cent of festival attendees were aged 45-65, while 3 per cent were either under 16 or over 65. A recent survey from Staysure insurance revealed that Glastonbury was the number one festival of choice for those over 50, followed closely by the BBC Proms.

Glastonbury has many stages, different activities, crafts, comedy, poetry etc, a politician giving a speech is just another event people can choose to listen to or not. The organisers invited JC. He accepted this invitation. No problem. Theresa May in her hapless election campaign chose to speak at venues which just included her supporters. Her choice.

Your posts always are to the point suzied and make good sense.

I'm off to the Fringe in August. Wonder if he'll turn up there?

Good well informed post HurdyGurdy

I understand that any tents, air beds, chairs etc are cleaned up and donated to refugee camps.
Many of the people doing the clearing up are volunteers.
It takes about three weeks, and once all the obvious stuff has been removed they drag large magnets over the fields to pick up anything that's too small to see, so the cattle don't pick up harmful stuff when they're grazing.
Having said all that, the festival goers should be more responsible, there are are many large skips around the site for disposing of rubbish.

Last year abandoned tents were given to refugees. There is a plea for people to take their belongings but not everyone does and there are huge numbers of people there so it doesn't take a huge percentage to leave their kit and for it to become a problem. As far as politics goes Glastonbury has always been a predominantly Left wing event, if you don't like it don't watch those bits, just enjoy he music!

I do realise that tents and equipment can be re-used - and there is a system for recycling them which some people use.
There is also a system for recycling other rubbish which many people use - but there are also many others who expect others to clear up after them.

Presumably those defending these slobs don't leave the countryside as they find it themselves.

But that's OK - it keeps people in work, dealing with other people's filth.
I don't like to go through an AONB and see the litter thrown out at the sides of the road either.
But I am just a moaner.

Only on GN would so much hot air be expounded about litter!!

It's not just about litter ww there is a sub text!

Plenty of hot air on the other News and Politics threads as well...

Only on GN would so much hot air be expounded about litter!!
I thought there was a lot of hot gas being produced by landfill!

enough for a hot air balloon!

Anyway, why should I care? The future of the planet is in the hands of younger people, I am doing my best but I won't be here when they have DGC.

Perhaps it would be of interest to some posters to know what the 'Green Policy' of Worthy Farm states to support 'part' the OP.

www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/green-glastonbury/our-green-policies/

'Love Worthy Farm Leave No Trace.'

Extract:-

The festival is committed to minimising the amount of waste, and managing the on site collection of that waste efficiently, “reduce, reuse and recycle”. We want all Festival goers to think ‘zero waste’ and to take home what they bring onto the Festival site. We want Festivals goers to think responsibly when they are packing their things to come to Glastonbury, don’t bring items that will end up in Landfill, or that you won’t be able to take back home again.

“Limit what you bring, and clean up behind you.” The Festival commits to continuing its policy of reducing the percentage of waste that goes to landfill, by placing controls on what is bought on site by staff, contractors, sponsors and traders and by emphasis on their responsibility not to bring items that will end in landfill. All cans, glass, paper, wood and organic waste are separated and recycled. There are 15, 000 bins around the site clearly identified for either wet or dry recyclable materials or non-recyclable rubbish.

‘A tent is for life not just for a festival’, we want people to not just buy the cheapest tent, spend a little extra and buy yourself a tent that is going to last you a lifetime of camping experiences rather than just a festival or summer.

Pack up your tent and take it home.

We’re recycling like mad. In 2014, half of all waste generated by the Festival was recycled. With your help, we’re hoping that this could go up to 60% this year. All cans, glass, paper, electrical and electronic equipment, wood and organic waste are separated and recycled as locally as possible. Many thanks to our fabulous Recycling Crew for making this possible. In 2014 the Festival recycled 114 tonnes of composted organic waste, 400 tonnes of chipped wood, 23 tonnes of glass, 85 tonnes of cans and plastic bottles, 41 tonnes of cardboard, 162 tonnes of scrap metal, 11.2 tonnes of clothing, tents, sleeping bags, 0.264 tonnes of batteries, 3 tonnes of dense plastic. 0.25 tonnes plastic sheets. 983 tonnes of waste were recycled or diverted from landfill. 54 % of our waste was recycled.

What we need to do now is start seriously reducing the volumes of waste that are created by the Festival and the only way to do this is to “Reduce, Reuse, recycle’

There are teams of volunteers that contribute hugely to the sustainability of the Festival. There are 1,300 recycling volunteers, 1,200 work for a ticket and the other volunteer for their nominated charity like WaterAid, Kiota and Bhopal Medical Appeal. The money that they earn gets donated to the charity they are working for. Without them we wouldn’t be able to achieve the recycling rate that we reach.

It costs us £780,000 to dispose of all the rubbish left at the Festival. That’s £780,000 less to Water Aid, Greenpeace or Oxfam – the main recipients of any profits made by Glastonbury. With £780,000, Water Aid can enable 52,000 people to access to safe water, improve hygiene and sanitation.
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Take the politics out the equation and it anybody who has left behind ' THEIR' mess is not only selfish but of the ilk that believe they can do what they want, when they want and somebody else can deal with it.

I am surprised some posters think that just because you buy a ticket you can be so anti social as it becomes your right because you paid to do so.

IT IS AKIN TO FLY TIPPING !

A pity those who left their gear behind couldn't take it home with them and take their tents to a local charity shop IF being generous to charity was their reason in the first place?

It isn't akin to fly tipping because measures are in place - and people are aware they are in place - to deal with the mess. And the mess is contained within a certain, predictable area. It is rubbish and it has to be disposed of somewhere. Is it really any better taking your mess home and putting it in your own bin, or a bin on the street, than leaving it for the clearer-uppers to deal with?

I agree that it is indicative of a certain state of mind that some people have - we have street cleaners, we have school cleaners, so what's the problem with dropping litter? This is not restricted to festival-goers. It occurs everywhere - especially on beaches. I have seen people take a picnic to the beach and when they depart, leave a circle of carrier bags, cans and other rubbish around the area where they were sitting.

I think it is up to people who feel strongly about it (and I feel everybody should feel strongly about it but they don't) to be pro-active in this respect. When I take my dog for a walk in the morning, I take a bag and collect rubbish as I go. An elderly friend of mine said "Why should we clear up the rubbish, it's the council's job?" I disagree. Firstly, it is the responsibility of the person who dropped the rubbish - but they've long since gone and can't be apprehended. Secondly, our council makes huge efforts to keep our streets and other public spaces clean and litter-free but they can only do so much.

Thank you for that post POGS

Yes, it is contained within an area but there is a syustem for each person to dispose of it before they leave Eloethan

And - don't get me started on dog mess. Why would anyone take their dog through a fence into a children's playground to do its business (leaving the mess) instead of walking a few yards further down a country path and carrying poo bags with them?

On that thought I will continue with my jam making