Cliff Edge anyone?

Fascinating chat with eldest grandchildren about GE, they believe it to be a backlash on Brexit and the inequality min our society.

They believe that young people will adopt a far greater interest in politics and what they describe as the antics of MP's. They are also very critical of Corbyn for not appointing Labours most highly qualified MP's to the Shadow cabinet.

I had not realised how informed young people are about today's political scene. Shows out of touch this old codger is about young people strength of feeling on Brexit, poverty and inequality issues. The fact they are discussing politics make me realise we oldies should also listen to their views about their future and the EU.

The whole point is it is THEIR future and not ours.

I think there was a political interest surge after the war - I know that is when my father became really interested.

It is great to see them getting themselves well informed.

My young adult children are very politically aware and take time to understand what is going on. They are both furious about Brexit and its implications.

Most of the young are gill

I don't think I was interested in politics until I had children and felt such a responsibilty towards giving them the best possible future. I then listened to James Callaghans speech at the Labour Party Conference and was inspired to join the Labour Party. I did do a subject called 'British Constitution' when I did courses on day release from my local government job. I had taken the job as I was told I could do A Level whilst working for them, but didn't realise I had to do British Constitution and Economics; both of which I found incredibly boring. My daughter, as a history teacher [who grew up in a house where political discussion was the norm] is interested in politics and current affairs; my son, who has never shown an interest, has now been inspired by listening to Jeremy Corbyn. When the children were small, as a stay at home mum [sounding like Leadsom again ]I used to watch a programme called Pebble Mill at One, and my political chums used to be quite impressed with the knowledge I received from watching that programme!

I've been watching and listening to Labour and have a theory about Brexit, and I've just read the same idea on the other forum!! So here goes

So Labour are planning to vote against the Repeal Bill unless there are huge changes. -Good
So I am wondering now how Labour intend to play this whole Brexit thing.

So far they appear to be acting terribly reasonably and supportive I.e, voting for A50.
But now I'm wondering if in fact they are gradually working towards completely scrapping or undermining the whole enterprise.
Sothey will support "the will of the people" but only if there are sensibly no negative consequences. Which I think are impossible.
So that position allows them to stay true to the referendum result hilarious pushing against Brexit.

One of the main differences between the two parties at the moment is that the Conservative Party seems to be made up of journalists [this was pointed out post referendum eg Gove and Johnson] who are good at soundbites etc whereas the Labour Party seem to consist of lawyers who can see the wider picture and the minor details.

Apparently the European Arrest Warrent will only function in relation with the ECJ

Another conundrum for the daft Brexit Brigade

Your theory is wrong ww much as you may wish it to be true.
The Labour Party are not accepting of the Henry V111 clause ( if that is the correct
Phrase) and want ( reasonably) to have a date limit put upon it.There may be other things theyvare not happy with, but there is time to iron out the fine detail.
Corbyn and others are pretty keen on Brexit.

Another article about air travel - explains the likely outcomes a bit better.

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/09/brexit-airlines-worst-fear-preoccupation-legal-framework?CMP=share_btn_link

Starmer on Labours position with the Repeal Bill

"The bill will not gain Labours support in its present form. We have very serious issues with the governments approach, and unless the government addresses those issues we will not be supporting the Bill.

We demand a number of concessions and these include the following

Workers rights in Britain do not fall behind those in the EU.
Incorporating the EU Charter of Fundamental Righrs into U.K. Law.
Limiting the scope of Henry VIII powers, which allow the government to alter legislation without recourse to parliamentary scrutiny.

These issues are serious, they are reasonable and we are very firm about this.
We are putting the government on notice.

The Welsh and Scottish government are refusing to allow legislation for the Repeal Bill

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-employment-eu-workers-small-businesses-recruitment-crisis-a7838711.html

One about likely unemployment

The Charter of Fundamental rights may well be a sticking point as Lib Dems see it as a red line.

Having looked at those things.....don't see why there can't be mutual agreement with all concerned.

I think some of it is more difficult but of the intertwining of EU regulations with some of these other agencies or rules - it is certainly that with Euratom. I think the airline one may be a bit more complicated.

rar I take it that was a joke?

Davis is muttering about an association membership with Euratom - not sure how that will sit with the ECJ though.

I think corbyns gift of an arsenal shirt to Bernier could sway the negotiations our way.

Ian Dunt is not very sanguine about the Bill

Brexit was supposed to be about taking back control. If this bill is anything to go by, it is ministers - not the public - who are doing so. This is as dangerous and far-reaching a piece of legislation as we have seen in our lifetimes.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/07/13/small-print-of-repeal-bill-creates-unprecedented-new-powers

Petra...... now why didn't May think of that?

I am with Ian Dunt on that one. I just hope Parliament is up to preventing this massive hit to our democracy.

I love that photo of David Davis.
Do you think he's just looking surprised that anyone believes anything he says?

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/07/13/euratom-is-the-perfect-test-case-for-revoking-article-50

Excellent article about Euratom, too, our get out of jail free card.