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Cliff Edge anyone?

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whitewave Fri 30-Jun-17 07:31:33

This term gets bandied about in relation to Brexit without any of the consequences attached to it.

I have just done some research/ reading and thought it was time we all had the opportunity to discuss what exactly a "cliff edge Brexit" means and whether it can be taken seriously as a "no deal is better than a bad deal" deal.

So talks have failed and our government decides to go it alone.

It is day one of Britains great adventure

We have no trade deals with the EU or the rest of the world.
The economy goes into recession
We now have in front of us several years of negotiating trade deals both with our potentially biggest customer -Europe and the rest of the World.
Countries like Argentina and others that bear a grudge will block any dealings with the WTO.
Getting exports to Europe will become an absolute nightmare, as even if we have successfully arranged our borders for a post Brexit scenario, Europe has only just begun to get their border controls in place for the flow of goods to and from the UK.
The SE becomes a huge lorry park as good stand waiting to be processed. There is a potential for shortages to occur- particularly in relation to food, as there is only one port in Europe that is set up to deal with this commodity, and that is not yet functioning.
Issues like "country of origin" causes complete chaos for business and everything becomes a bureaucratic nightmare.
Flights are delayed/cancelled until the UK can do its own deals with regard to flight rights.
And of course as we have read only recently, nuclear material will dry up, threatening cancer and other treatment.

References are available on request????

whitewave Wed 12-Jul-17 20:07:48

There needs to be some sort of movement.

Called save our grandchildrens future or something.

varian Wed 12-Jul-17 20:24:08

A year ago just after the disastrous referendum, a friend sent me a lovely photo of her grandchildren, a brother and sister aged 16 and 12. They looked so happy, beaming at the camera, looking optimistically to their futures, and I thought -it cannot now be the same future they could have had just a seek ago., and I burst into tears, not just for these two lovely young people, but for all their gdneration and the generations to come who have had their futures stolen from them.

whitewave Wed 12-Jul-17 20:41:09

Oh varian that's exactly how I feel looking at my two grandsons. And my children.

Rigby46 Wed 12-Jul-17 20:51:01

Yes - last year two days after the referendum I was on holiday in Europe and I ended up in tears thinking about the potential loss of the peace and prosperity we have enjoyed in Europe and how my dgs could experience conscription

Welshwife Wed 12-Jul-17 20:59:11

We went to a meal in the village the evening of the day the results were announced - our Maire was so lovely to us - she said they were so afraid we would not go because of the vote.

durhamjen Wed 12-Jul-17 21:05:20

One family member is moving to Spain next year. She has an EU passport, and is making sure she and her husband are already living there before we leave the EU. Her children are old enough to decide for themselves, and are well travelled. They have connections in Spain, Ireland, Scandinavia and the US.

Tegan2 Wed 12-Jul-17 21:19:07

We were in Middleham watching it all unfold; I stayed awake most of the night watching the results. The people who ran the B&B we were staying at were as numb as we were at breakfast. We then drove north to Northumberland, past all the 'we want our country back' posters in the fields.It was like being in a post apocalyptic film [eg The Road] as far as we were concerned. The only thing that has raised my spirits politically since then has been the election and seeing the Conservative Party unravel before my very eyes.

GillT57 Wed 12-Jul-17 23:03:32

I just keep on hoping that it will all unfold, today's childish behaviour by Boris J made me ashamed, rude, ignorant git that he is.The negotiators for the EU have acted with dignity and decorum, and if it hadn't been for their open statements, we would have been kept in ignorance of what was being done in our name as we 'take back control'. I am intrigued by why, whenever we see a Brexit voter on TV news, or QT they are always so shouty, so angry, demanding instant Brexit; I am coming to the conclusion that even the most deluded of them has realised they have been had, and they want it all over before it is too late, before the rest of the (now) minority realise what a disaster it would be.

durhamjen Wed 12-Jul-17 23:07:30

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/12/labour-tories-great-repeal-bill-brexit-eu

So there, Theresa May! She'd better start behaving herself if she wants to stay in number 10.

Tegan2 Wed 12-Jul-17 23:59:20

But, wouldn't it be better to not vote for the great repeal bill, therefore making brexit nigh on impossible, rather than ask for concessions if they do? Given that Labour have critiscised the LibDems for saying they will vote with the government on certain issues if they agree with them?

whitewave Thu 13-Jul-17 08:22:33

So those idiots are refusing to listen to the whole country according to Baker over Euratom and cancer treatment - even members of their own party are alarmed but they apparently know best. My God it is disgusting.

whitewave Thu 13-Jul-17 08:30:41

A new chair has been elected for the influential Treasury select committee.

Nicky Morgan a fervent remainer has beaten Rees Mogg a Brexiter by a large majority.

Morgan will undoubtedly become a thorn in Mays side..

Welshwife Thu 13-Jul-17 08:35:50

Any one wishing to fly out of UK should make sure they don't plan to do it March 2019 unless things change radically before then - at a recent meeting with people such as M O'Leary, bosses of airports and other larger (including American) Airlines it was agreed that when UK leaves the EU it will not be possible for airlines to have UK as a destination etc.

I saw what M O'Leary said a couple of days ago but assumed that he was greatly exaggerating but this morning I have seen a post on a closed group from a person who was at the conference and he reiterated the same thing and said that both airlines and airports are very worried - I am not sure exactly how it works but it is to do with Open Skies agreements etc.

whitewave Thu 13-Jul-17 08:37:13

the NAO has said that government departments are left feeling high and dry with no steerage over Brexit. And the whole of the civil service risks falling apart like a chocolate orange.

I can personally verify this as I have several contacts in different departments ALL who say that nothing is being done. The one department that will be most directly affected says it is an absolute joke at the lack of direction.

whitewave Thu 13-Jul-17 08:41:54

Well today we have apparently taken back control.

Not you understand of the vast domestic/internal law.

But simply laws governing trade, which gave us access to the biggest market in the world.

Laughing stock? Us? Pathetic isn't it?

durhamjen Thu 13-Jul-17 08:48:48

A distinct lack of brexiteers lately.

whitewave Thu 13-Jul-17 08:53:12

That's because they have zero defence over what they have voted for.

Welshwife Thu 13-Jul-17 09:29:57

I would be devastated if I had voted leave for whatever reason and could see now how there were so many lies and how things are panning out.

Cindersdad Thu 13-Jul-17 09:41:24

Agreed but they voted for it as Theresa May and her lackeys keep reminding us. The "Will of the People" as expressed on 23rd June 2016 is still held up as the reason for Lemming like behaviour.

The basic fact that the "Will of the People" is transient and generally fickle is beyond government comprehension.

The "Will of the People" has wanted PR for long time and that too in conveniently beyond Tory and most Labour comprehension.

MaizieD Thu 13-Jul-17 09:46:30

A distinct lack of brexiteers lately.

Bored by hearing us whinge about all the disasters ahead?

Embarrassed by being daft enough to vote for the disasters ahead?

Completely devoid of understanding of the disasters ahead?

whitewave Thu 13-Jul-17 09:49:39

58% think that we should have free access to trade.

And that that free access is more important than immigration.

People are beginning to realise that their pockets are going to be severely hit.

whitewave Thu 13-Jul-17 09:50:35

They may not be commenting but they are sure as hell reading all our comments

GillT57 Thu 13-Jul-17 09:55:47

Agreed Cindersdad but why the sudden insistence on following the 'will of the people'? Some of 'the people' voted for a raft of Tory policy which was then immediately put through the shredder post election, so what happened to 'the will' of those people?

whitewave Thu 13-Jul-17 10:14:46

Environment is under threat.

There is a coalition of interested parties to try to prevent the government from binning environmental protection without government scrutiny.

The hard right are intent on altering environmental rules in order to ensure that the government is immune from challenge.

Taking back control eh! Does that represent more or less democracy.

Answer on the back of a fag packet.

Welshwife Thu 13-Jul-17 10:18:07

I have seen a report today - in foreign press - that Verhofstadt has said UK cannot stay in Euratom when it leaves the EU unless it has some sort of associate agreement with EU as the two are joined together.

I have not see the report in the UK press but it is worldwide and in various languages - had to search to find and English one!

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