Cliff Edge anyone?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/02/mays-brexit-plan-will-hit-rights-of-britons-abroad-campaigners-tell-eu

I suppose at least Branson is on the right side, even helping to fund Gina Miller, Tegan.
It would still be better if he came back and paid his taxes properly.

Usual good article by William Keegan

"The farce that is Brexit has now become open warfare between Brexiters, whilst the rest of the world- with the possible exception of Putin and Trump- look on in sympathetic wonderment................................( May decision to sack Hammond ).
Hammond's sin was to let (May) know that the warnings of our Brussels-based ambassador Rogers, whom May has sacked, were prescient; that making the country poorer was neither good politics nor good economics; and that (Brussels) was not going to let us have our cake and eat it."

Keegan then goes on to point out the new buzzword "transition" as it is patently obvious that nothing can be completed in two years.

The debate now is how to handle the transition and how long this transition is likely to be.

Remainers obviously hope it will take several hundred years, and meanwhile we will remain inside the customs union and Margaret Thatchers greatest achievement - the single market.

"Lord Adonis pointed out in the Lords debate on the QS last week, more than 60% of our trade is with the EI or with other countries with which we enjoy free or preferential access as members of the customs union and single market.

Leave? What folly",
"Why is all this nonsense happening? Largely because of the anti- Europeanise that (Hesletine) described as a cancer gnawing at the heart of the Conservative Party.

Customs union is still possible.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/02/british-officials-drop-cake-and-eat-it-approach-to-brexit-negotiations

How long has it taken to knock this reality into their thick heads?

A whole wasted year.

Idiots!

I think they spent most of that year hoping that the job would be taken away from them!
It certainly worked for May, to show the Brexiteers up.
Showed her up as well fortunately, for the schemer that she is.
However, like you say, a wasted year.

Why can't they get together and have cross-party talks. The Brexiteers don't have any experience of such negotiations, and the EU are becoming fed up of their antics.

Just reading and I can personally verify this fact, although I had forgotten it. The vast majority of our fish is sold to Europe through the single market.

So presumably roughly 20% tariff will have to added if no single market is negotiated. I would imagine Irish fishermen and others will gain a lot from that.

Just have to eat it all ourselves - except for my family as we are all vegetarian or vegan.

I have often wondered at the reliance on exports and imports, with similar goods adding to the miles from country to country.

So plan B now on the table.

Wonder how long that will last?

So now pursuing an EEA or Canadian.

Oh well all you Brexiters soon be back to where we started. I hope all this grief was worth it

Whitehall is planning to remain in the customs union.

I started this thread on 30/6 today is the 3/7 and in that time the government has begun to move rapidly towards reality.

The next thing the Brexiters will have to move on is in relation to British on the continent.

What May plans to do is unfair. She should "be planning to move foreward, not about unravelling earlier commitments"

We wait for the due announcement

It is getting confusing with all these changes.

EUCitizens who have worked in UK for many years - 20/30 are now getting jittery about their UK pensions and worried about still being paid. Many are Health workers so will I imagine still pay tax at source on their payments. All such a mess.

More nurses are now leaving the profession than starting.
More nurses going back to the EU than arriving.
In two years we will be back to where we started anyway, Welshwife.

Re Gove tweet about fisheries.

Barnier replied

" Gove is spouting bollocks in 140 characters"

A lot will agree with that sentiment. Including the fishermen

There are many excellent and wise comments on these pages, but unfortunately the media and the majority of members of the Commons are failing to listen to public opinion or simply adopting the Nelson touch. The Gov at present seems to be in a trance and is simply ignore the reality of a UK being led down the wrong path.

Can I suggest you write to your MP's are request them to click on to the gransnet.com and learn more about our concerns for the future of the UK outside the eu etc?

Financial Times front page article writes about the City having given up on the government making any sense over Brexit, and negotiating its own deal leaving the government outside of the negotiations.

This government now clearly has severe legitimacy problems.

This is fun.

Someone suggested that we play Brexit Bingo.

So we put down all the facts given out by the remainers and cross them off one by one as they come true.

have your cake and eat it

Lord West says that the UK will become the laughing stock as there are insufficient Royal Naval boats to police the UK fishing waters.

Remainers do seem to be overly concerned that the UK will 'become a laughing stock'. It seems really important to some of them, yet patriotism is frowned upon...

ana is Lord West a remainer?

I can't see anywhere in the Lord West post that says patriotism is frowned on. Not sure where you got that?

I was talking about remainers generally, especially on GN. The 'laughing stock' complaint has been raised many times for different reasons.

Which post are you talking about then ?

ofgs you know exactly which one - why bring it up if it doesn't concern you?

Isn't it patriotic to be concerned that we may be/become a laughing stock? There have been articles posted on here that already say that we are a laughing stock and I find it really upsetting that people are looking at us in bemusement.