Momentum are getting stronger

More apologists for crass remarks made by someone who knows exactly what they are saying.

Can you say more about the nature of JRM's connections to the Traditional Britain Group, please, * eloethan*. I haven't managed to ascertain it from what you've said already. Please note, I am not challenging the information you've given; I'm asking for more specifics.

Is JRM a member of TBG, for instance, or does he just know/talk to some of the members?

A German friend of mine, who would be a perfectly acceptable person on all counts to you, eloeathan, I am certain, has also said that some of what Hitler did was good for Germany. She was not talking about what the Nazis did to the Jews but to things like sea wall building programmes and such like. I think that sort of thing is probably what is being referred to by Sudeley, not the horrific stuff.

I think Gordon Brown is a good man. Hopeless as PM but a good man. Sarah Brown is a good person too.

Just been looking up the "that bigoted woman" story. Seems Mrs Duffy has left the Labour Party because of Corbyn but bears no ill will towards Brown. Just saying.

I agree, I think he is a good person too, but he made a mistake ( human like everybody.......even 'evil' Tories.)

I've just listened to the conversation between Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy. I think her comments about East European immigrants do come over as a bit bigoted. Put it this way, if I or another gransnetter had said what she said we'd be totally in the Gransnet soup!!

Agreed, rar. He was still a dope not to make sure his mic was off and to say what he said in the car as it drove away, but it wasn't all that terrible. And we all say stupid things that we regret and are sorry for later. What happened to forgiveness?

Can you say more about the nature of JRM's connections to the Traditional Britain Group, please, * eloethan*. I haven't managed to ascertain it from what you've said already. Please note, I am not challenging the information you've given; I'm asking for more specifics.

What did your last servant die of Baggs. Do what eloethan did and look it up yourself.

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Oh, sorry, gg, I thought this was a conversation.

Quite, galen, innit? ?

My underlying point, gg and eloethan and anyone else, is that I don't think talking to someone with reprehensible views is a sin. I think I'm with the sainted Jeremy on that one.

But I thought asking for more specific information on points that were not clear was standard on these threads? Is it only selected posters who are allowed to make that request?

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^ What did your last servant die of Baggs^
Have you turned into the stunt double of another poster who posts such rude replies?

I phrased my request politely too with assurances that I wasn't contesting what eloethan had said even though, by implication, I hinted that what she said might not be the full story.

I have acted on your, ahem, suggestion, gg, and I found this in an Independent newspaper article from 16 August, 2013: "Rees-Mogg strongly rejected [the group*] after its views on race and immigration were reported."

The group* in question being the Traditional Britain Group.

So, there's no need for you to go to the trouble of answering my query, eloethan.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-the-third-man-in-that-traditional-britain-photo-and-what-he-says-about-the-new-loony-right-8771448.html

Interesting, Baggs !

Exactly whitewave. I'm not a huge admirer of Gordon Brown but I think his "bigoted woman" comment was said in a moment of annoyance and embarrassment - and was directed at one person who had unwittingly caused him some discomfort, not at her as a representative of a particular group.

The comment by Lauder-Froster that Doreen Lawrence is "a nobody" was entirely consistent with his other preoccupation - immigration - as his proposal:

"non-Europeans living in the UK should be offered "assisted voluntary repatriation".

aptly demonstrates.

Baggs This is what was posted on the Traditional Britain Group website:

Jacob Rees-Mogg, M.P., was the guest-of-honour at the Traditional Britain Group’s packed Annual Dinner on Friday 17th May 2013, held at London’s prestigious East India Club. Also present was Lord Kilclooney of Armagh, possibly better known to many as John Taylor, former Ulster Unionist M.P., and Monday Club member

Mr. Rees-Mogg expressed his disappointment with the EU, with his party’s attempts to redefine marriage and with abortion-on-demand, but toed the Party line on other matters. Gregory Lauder-Frost, our Vice-President, presided and thanked Mr.Rees-Mogg on behalf of the TBG presenting him with a gift from us

Some time later the British Tradional Group published an article from the Libertarian relating to the controversy that Rees-Mogg's guest appearance at the BTG had caused. Some extracts:

In recent days, the British media has relished slamming Conservative Member of Parliament Jacob Rees-Mogg for addressing a dinner which was hosted earlier this year by the Traditional Britain Group (TBG)...

..."Rees-Mogg was hauled onto Newsnight and questioned. The Old Etonian, clearly under instruction from whimpering conservative officials, said that it had been a serious mistake to attend the dinner and that he had nothing whatsoever to do with them. He has thrown away the credibility he has earned in the Commons for being a genuine, unapologetic and audacious politician, with a likeable eccentricity and a rare talent for oratory. For Rees-Mogg’s many admirers, his response has been bitterly disappointing

Admittedly, the impassioned response posted by the TBG on its Facebook page following the appointment of anti-racism campaigner Doreen Lawrence to the House of Lords, is disconcerting to say the least. The post called for the voluntary repatriation of Lawrence and ‘millions of others’. However, the criticism of Lawrence’s appointment is entirely legitimate and justified

Doreen Lawrence has long been granted the state-sponsored status of infallibility and immunity by the media, driven by fear that any criticism of her might be misconstrued as racist. In the same week that UKIP MEP Godfrey Bloom* underwent a thoroughly pointless media assault for alleged “racism”, the attempted prevention of criticism towards Lawrence is just another example of political correctness gone mad.

So with Rees-Mogg receiving a tidal wave of criticism for daring to accept a dinner invitation, with Godfrey Bloom* branded ‘racist’ for making a light-hearted comment, with the TBG smeared by the media and cynical Labour politicians, and with any questioning of Doreen Lawrence’s appointment deemed unthinkable, Britain’s traditional democratic values are under threat......

*Bloom provoked controversy when he talked about British foreign aid going to "bongo-bongo land" - a reference to third world countries.

During a LBC Radio interview in November 2013, he called for the unemployed and public sector workers to lose the right to vote.

eleothan They strike me as the worst possible people. I simply can't imagine a single person I know -even a couple of shire Tory friends died in the wool Tories wouldn't touch them with a barge poll.

To accept a dinner invitation and attend whilst being clueless as to whom my hosts were stretches credibility beyond belief.

I've just seen your post of 17.04 Baggs.

So Rees-Mogg accepts an invitation to be guest-of-honour at a dinner for a group about which he knows nothing. He doesn't know anything about the aims of the group, the views of its senior officers or of the other invited guests. Really?

Or could it be, as the article re-published on the BTG website suggested, that Rees-Mogg suddenly realised he needed to plead ignorance of the group's pernicious aims. The reference to him being clearly under instruction from whimpering Cnservative officials suggests that the BTG's view was also that Rees-Mogg was fully aware of what the group stood for.

This is pretty old news and I think dinners with unsavoury people happen all the time in politics

twitter.com/DrMarcusP/status/884548810638274568

Eh?!

Yes, quite Primrose.

You have already decided that JRM is guilty of all sorts of heinousness, elo. Your posts make multiple assumptions about what he knew about TBG and whether or not he agreed with what they stood for in any or all of their points. (I visited their website already). I do not count your speculations as actual evidence of his heinousness just as I don't count stories about Jeremy Corbyn's 'support' for the IRA and other reprehensible organisations as actual evidence of heinousness on his part. I will continue to think both JRM and JC are decent men until they are proved guilty of actual crimes. Thank god it is not yet a crime in this country to be a Conservative politician or a Labour one. Or any other kind, come to that.