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Should MP be sacked for using " n "word

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suzied Mon 10-Jul-17 16:50:59

Tory MP Anne-Marie Morris used the phrase "N . In the woodpile" when giving a speech in a meeting in the House of Commons. There are calls for her to be sacked. This is a phrase that even my parents wouldn't have used. I am surprised anyone under 60 knows it. Does she use this phrase at home? She should be severely reprimanded IMHO. Sacked if it happens again .

Ana Mon 10-Jul-17 18:33:41

Eh? Didn't think I would what? You're making no sense, whitewave...

Imperfect27 Mon 10-Jul-17 19:31:26

To answer the original question ... Yes.

petra Mon 10-Jul-17 20:19:26

*suzied
i'm surprised any one under 60 knows it
Have you ever listened to any Gangster Rap music. It's a word that's frequently used.

Deedaa Mon 10-Jul-17 20:33:59

suzied was surely referring to the expression, not the word. I was surprised to find how many people had never heard it before. When I was a child it was quite commo9n, I certainly heard my father use it

Christinefrance Mon 10-Jul-17 20:54:12

I was surprised too Deeda, its quite an old saying. I didn't think it was still in general usage. Not sure what that says about Anne-Marie Morris.

rosesarered Mon 10-Jul-17 21:01:54

nfkdumpling .....you are completely right, it doesn't matter what the politics of the MP are, it should not have been said at all.A very old fashioned phrase which I have read but never heard anybody say, even when people did say casually racist things back then.
ww am glad you remember the awful thread when many left wing posters derided the Jewish posters ( only two of them ) and denied that there was any anti-semitism at all in the Labour Party.Well, you were proved wrong there!

petra Mon 10-Jul-17 21:03:08

I haven't heard the whole speech, but perhaps she was using the term in its original context.
^ Some fact of considerable importance that is not disclosed - something suspicious or wrong^

Rigby46 Mon 10-Jul-17 21:09:46

Original context or not still not OK

mcem Mon 10-Jul-17 21:19:52

Come on petra! Totally unacceptable in any context.
It was once acceptable to refer to poofs and pansies, to blackies and darkies!
Would you consider all of these highly offensive terms acceptable if quoting a historical context?

Welshwife Mon 10-Jul-17 22:02:11

That word she used was the normal adjective for the dark brown colour when I was a child!

Iam64 Mon 10-Jul-17 22:09:09

It may have been used when most of us were children, that doesn't mean it's acceptable now.
There was still corporal punishment and hanging then, that wouldn't be acceptable now either.
It's indefensible .

Darnsarf Mon 10-Jul-17 22:10:12

It was when I grew up too Welshwife. In fact it was such a commonly used word that I can recall pets being named that too.

Rigby46 Mon 10-Jul-17 22:21:38

There are two aspects here - the use of the n word and the use of the phrase which is a very negative one. What on earth is the point of saying the word was used when you were young? Lots of words were used then that are totally unacceptable now and quite rightly so. The world has moved on thank goodness.

paddyann Mon 10-Jul-17 22:49:16

has anyone seen the 12th of July bonfire in Antrim with "we're not racist we just hate n....rs "written several times on the Irish flags on the side.Seems Mrs May having the the DUP onboard has given these knuckledraggers the courage to comeout of the woodwork and show their true colours.

Jalima1108 Mon 10-Jul-17 23:40:28

Some thoughts on this by Stephen Bush in the New Statesman:
www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/07/26-thoughts-anne-marie-morriss-racist-outburst

But then he says:
Where even is Newton Abbot? shock

Not as shocking as using the 'n' word but shocking nonetheless that a supposedly clever and educated journalist DOESN'T KNOW WHERE NEWTON ABBOTT IS!!
Come on Stephen, buck up.

The MP should be reprimanded and made to write an essay as Rigby suggests on the origins of the word and why it is wrong to use it today.

And Stephen needs to draw a large map and fill in towns of interest that are not London.

Jalima1108 Mon 10-Jul-17 23:41:54

Perhaps the good people of Newton Abbott should decide whether they want her to continue to represent them.

Baggs Tue 11-Jul-17 05:43:09

petra has a point. From what I've read so far, it seems that Morris used the phrase (phrase, note, not just one word) to refer to an issue of great importance (in this case, what happens if there's no Brexit deal) that isn't being openly or sufficiently discussed.

Meaning matters more than mere words.

Also, what if one were to argue that using the n-word in non-personal ways (yes, really! Morris used the phrase about a thing, and a non-physical thing at that, not about a person or people) is a way of trying to defuse its toxicity. Not that I think Morris used it like that, but still... I'm discussing an idea.

Context matters, even if Morris was a bit of an idiot to use the phrase she did use rather than another.

The whole thing looks like a twitch hunt to me.

Baggs Tue 11-Jul-17 05:44:43

I don't know where Newton Abbott is either. But I know how to find out.

Baggs Tue 11-Jul-17 05:48:00

Which I just did. Turns out my vague guess of "somewhere in south-west England" was correct. I will now know this until I forget it again because knowing it is of no particular use to me.

Did you know that forgetting things is actually quite important for maximising brain function? Seriously.

BlueBelle Tue 11-Jul-17 06:11:40

I think if someone is so insensitive to use such a saying, if someone is so out of touch with modern language and if someone is so ignorant and yes I do mean ignorant they do NOT have any place in ANY leadership position and I don't care what political persuasion they are from I m glad she's suspended and wish she had been sacked on the spot and that goes for that awful awful woman who used the dreadful dreadful Asian joke It just shows how close to the surface racism is
Petra and offers defending her it doesn't matter what context she used it in it's totally inexcusable to use this word in ANY context

BlueBelle Tue 11-Jul-17 06:12:30

Should read others not offered
Oh for an edit button

NannyTee Tue 11-Jul-17 06:19:48

Well said BlueBelle. If you ask me I would say that most of these politicians are pompous racists. To be said in public is an outrage . It is 2017 for goodness sake . Talk about setting examples to the younger generation. Tut Tut !!!!

MawBroon Tue 11-Jul-17 06:41:56

There is an arrogance in the Westminster "bubble" and IMHO a disregard for what most of us would call standards or decent behaviour. We have seen this on BOTH sides of the House and the callous self seeking contempt shown for the people who pay their salaries makes me sick.
To me it starts at the top, where shocking jibes/jokes etc may not literally feature, but a cold disregard for PEOPLE runs through the actions we experience.
It wasn't just Marie Antoinette who asked why the starving rabble couldn't "eat cake" when they couldn't get bread. There are those who seem to think the sick can "get on their bikes", the homeless can move to whatever part of the country has cheaper housing and that our public sector workers can survive on a1% pay rise while they can vote themselves whatever pay rise they want.
I despair.

Rigby46 Tue 11-Jul-17 07:24:34

Yyyyy MB and if one more person uses her age (60) as an excuse I shall scream.

suzied Tue 11-Jul-17 07:29:07

The origin of the phrase is from slavery when certain races were seen as less than human and treated accordingly. This is why the phrase is unacceptable today. Just because it may have been common parlance in the last century is no excuse, particularly from someone who is supposedly well educated and in public office.