Our country post Brexit

"I absolutely agree with Vince Cable when he said that the old have shafted the young over Brexit."

I have to agree whitewave and feel very ashamed to be part of that generation.

Well, perhaps more of 'the young' should have got off their arses and voted.

Personally I don't like being lumped in with all the oldie leavers, it was very emphatically not my view - makes me realise why young people don't like being lumped together as 'the younger generation'.

djen re nothing much:

I was told by a friend who had visited NZ that only some wines are able to be classed as Marlborough wines (more prestigious apparently) - but that she had visited a vineyard near there - same soil, same conditions, but was not allowed the prestigious classification of Marlborough because it was just out of the region.
I don't care, as long as it tastes good and doesn't give me a headache.
Just finishing a glass of SE Australian at the moment, on offer in Waitrose.

Back to the serious thread.

but at least I don't fly myself.
well, I do, but then I can drink un-exported wine when I'm there, so that should help.

The Spanish foreign Minister has said
"Gibraltar will not be a deciding factor in brexit talks"
One thing less for some of you to worry about. The Spanish know it makes sense.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/aug/06/downing-street-denies-uk-willing-to-pay-40bn-brexit-divorce-bill

Government arguing again. I wonder if they will ever agree.

"Well, perhaps more of 'the young' should have got off their arses and voted."

I understood the same proportion of younger people voted as older people did. There are just fewer of them. I don't think the older has anything to be arrogant about just being in greater numbers.

Perhaps when the younger, smaller generation really realise what they have been deprived of, they will look at the fact that is was because our generation is bigger than theirs and think about the other side of this coin; should a smaller generation, who could always be outvoted and therefore cannot have the future they wish, be paying the pensions of and older, much larger generation who are prepared to manipulate their lives?

older generation not 'old'

Why shouldn't they "be paying the pensions of an older, much larger generation" that's what we've done and some of us are still doing. If the state pension is still around when today's younger generation have children of their own, their children will be doing the same.

It's ridiculous to say that the younger generations lives are being manipulated. That's an accusation every one of us could make about our elders who made use of their democratic right and voted for anything that we didn't approve of.

That isn't an argument Smileless. You have to have a social pact for these things to work and they may just be fed up with us - it happens. Even you say "If the state pension is still around" so you are aware that things can change and not always to suit some of the population.

OUR elders became a smaller proportion of the population so it is not the same, nor it 'ridiculous' to point out facts and how, if we use them against another part of the population at one point they may start to review how things in our society are working.

Latest: Elderly face cull to pay for Brexit.

newsthump.com/2016/11/28/elderly-face-cull-to-pay-for-brexit/

Brilliant, mostlyharmless. Anyone live in Eastbourne?

I hope they cull this man first. He's been conning us out of money for far too long.

skwawkbox.org/2017/08/07/video-eus-olaf-case-farage-ordered-to-repay-80000/

Yes GG I am of course aware that things can change but I don't agree that saying the lives of the younger generation are being manipulated. That could be said about any democratically made decision; past, present and future.

If the vote had gone the other way and the older generation accused the younger generation of manipulating their lives, would that be acceptable?

Isn't it bad enough that there's so much antagonism between remainers and leavers without promoting and encouraging it between generations?

Not sure if I find that amusing or not mostlyharmless; maybe I'm losing the will to live my sense of humour.

Maybe once you reach a certain age you shouldn't be allowed to vote on things that really won't effect you anyway.

I understood the same proportion of younger people voted as older people did.
If these figures are to be believed Gracegran then the proportion of over 65s was much higher than any other age group.

The figure of only 36% for 16-24 year olds voting was thought to be incorrect though - a 64% turn-out was thought to be the correct one, reasonable but that means that 36% could not be bothered.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-brexit-turnout-young-voters-youth-vote-double-a7129181.html

Perhaps this explains everything

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/we-thought-brexit-was-a-type-of-wafer-biscuit-admit-pensioners-20170807133553

(for anyone not familiar with the Daily Mash, it's a satirical website, not fake news )

uk.reuters.com/article/us-nissan-battery-idUKKBN1AO0K1

Government guarantees to Nissan?
Does Nissan think they are not worth much?
They have sold the battery making company to a Chinese investment firm.

"The figure of only 36% for 16-24 year olds voting was thought to be incorrect though - a 64% turn-out was thought to be the correct one, reasonable but that means that 36% could not be bothered."

What a strange statistic Jalima. Sixteen year olds were not allowed to vote so if you are looking at 16 -24 year olds you immediately you have 25% who haven't voted because they couldn't.

The 'young' I see as affected are at least up to 45 and possibly up to 55 - basically those who cannot fall back on a pension when the jobs disappear.

I understood the same proportion of younger people voted as older people did. There are just fewer of them.
The 'young' I see as affected are at least up to 45 and possibly up to 55
No, for your definition, the 'young' is 70% of the voting population!

Now we know where some of our 'divorce' settlement will go. Poland are demanding €350 billion from Germany.
And yes, I do know that 'if' we paid the 'divorce' money it will go o the eu, but I think it would find it's way to Germany. We all know that money 'disappears' from the money pot all the time.

That was just my view Primrose - different to yours perhaps but allowable.

When the statics of how the age groups voted were compiled I think everyone was using up to 44 as 'younger' voters but I imagine it would depend on what message the report writer wished to get across. My comment followed a comment by Vince Cable who seemed to be differentiating between the working and pensioned so I was looking at that when I decided I agreed with his comments.

Just an interesting statistic, in the 1990s, when my parents were part of the over 65s, the group were 15.8% of the population, for my generation - over 65 in the 2010s - it is 17.7%. By the time my children are over 65, in the 2040s it will be around 24% of the population (perhaps they will get their own back then).

Gracesgran Tue 08-Aug-17 10:53:35

Sorry - not strange but it was a typo!!
18-24 year old.
Should check first

Hammond is not going to be next PM, then.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/08/philip-hammonds-approval-rating-falls-record-low-among-tory/

Arron Banks thinks everybody is better off already because of Brexit. Workers benefit from Brexit.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/08/westmonster-claim-workers-benefit-from-brexit-ignoring-record-high-on-zero-hours/