Our country post Brexit

Apparently the Brexiters want to simply use the EU trading agreement with Japan as our own and this from a rabble who thought everything the EU does is rubbish!!!!

I see that they are busy trying to blame Brussels for their own sad shortcomings. That was inevitable really given their seemingly total incompetence.

Shouldn't we scrap everything and start from scratch? Being as we're so much better than those pesky Europeans...

Did you see what William Haig had to say yesterday about the reason the UK is in a weak position as far as EU negotiations are going is due to the voters not giving TM a huge victory! Nothing to do with poor quality politicians or policies etc. Blame anyone but themselves.

ww yes!! What a joke. I am not sure that the voter is that gullible though. They must be aware of the poor performance put in by Maybot and Davis - well all of the Brexiters!

It is soooo embarrassing. The Brexiters should be all over this but instead they are useless. What a reputation we are loosing.

Nothing to do with us not giving Corbyn a huge victory, then?
At least we would have had lawyers involved in the negotiations instead of idiots.

Exactly dj Starmer always seems to know what he is talking about, as opposed to Davis with that inane grin.

Just found the link to this Times Article

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/in-its-eu-talks-britain-must-avoid-the-road-taken-by-a-greek-hero-bkdstrpzc

Having arrived Tuesday lunchtime, our negotiators are on their way home now, despite a week having been set aside for this round of negotiations.
No wonder the UK gets no work done on the Brexit negotiations. They spend all their time posturing.

To be fair DD did arrive on Monday which was not a Bank holiday in EU countries. I suppose the UK bureaucrats had the day off and only went to work on Tuesday.

Theresa May on Sky news: "You can't be a member of the single market unless you're in the EU."
This is not correct as Iceland, Norway and Lichtenstein are in single market but not in EU. This was in response to a question about staying in the single market for a lengthy transition period as Labour are now proposing.
So our Prime Minister doesn't even understand the options available as she undertakes to lead Brexit.
Very worrying.

Does Davis do any negotiating? He's just the figurehead who seems to pull funny faces at Barnier.

mostly I think it is true of a lot of misunderstanding. I've just been watching select committee questions with Davis. (it's raining!!).

I still do not understand how or why Labours position on the Single market is being taken as Gospel without the consent of the EU . It is a 'Wish List' and or spin to appeal to Remain voters .

Starmer stated Labours position was " The Free Movement of People must End". Presumably he is now catagorically stating that is no longer Labours position.

Has the EU now stated we can ' Cherry Pick ' which of the 4 Freedoms/Pillars we don't want to abide by and will give way to UK demands because Keir Starmer has spoken and they will do as he says?

As far as I have researched the EU position of upholding the 4 Freedoms/Pillars as required within it's Treaties has not shifted one iota .

To be in the single Market you have to be a member of The European Union, EFTA or EEA and WILL abide by the 4 Freedoms/Pillars which dictates agreeing to the 'Free Movement of Goods / Services / Capital / Labour.

What am I missing?

The Government has conducted over fifty studies showing the impact that Brexit will have across our economy - but it's refusing to share them. Don't let them keep us in the dark on the true cost of Brexit - sign the petition below to release these studies.

www.europeanmovement.co.uk/release_the_studies

Have already signed it;can only assume that there must be things in the reports that they really don't want us to see ...

Thanks for the link; I've signed. Why do they think this sort of information if theirs to keep?

Yes I've signed. I read that this is the case last week or so I think.

It is never very clever to keep this sort of information secret as it gives critics the opportunity to suggest the worse, and this may not be the case.

I've signed. It would be interesting to read the reports if they are released.

Leave voters won't be convinced though as they must have been written by experts!

Talks are getting fractious, which should hold no surprises.

What is interesting and something that I have been reading is what happens if the talks break down completely - what happens then?

Well, apparently we have to go back to the A50, which states that we leave either at the end if 2 years after notification or after any withdrawal agreement has been drawn up.

If we look at UK law, our membership is outlined in the EC Act 1972. So we are members as long as it says we are.

What's key here is who owns the act.

If it is Parliaments hands, it is for parliament to decide how we proceed if the talks break down. It could for instance choose to Repeal the Act.

It could choose another form of action.
Leaving without a deal will be calamitous , so Parliament might for example decide to hold another referendum.

But what If the Act is not in Parliaments hands but in the aGovernments ?

Clause one states that the EU Act 1972 is repealed on exit day.
The exit day is decided by a minister of the government without any parliamentary control at all.

Having such unfettered control is the very opposite to the vote which included taking back control.

Parliament must not vote for clause one.

news.huffingtonpost.com/t/t-l-kiktuit-naukhjiy-o/

Why does May want to keep things the same as they are now, with just slight changes? They are talking about cut-and-paste EU law into UK law, so why are we having all this fuss about leaving?

Does anyone have any idea what David Davis means when he says he wants flexibility and imagination?
No they don't; they want clarity and certainty.

So far this week we have learned a couple of things good and bad.

I'll start with the good stuff-

All you grans living in the EU outside of the UK
You will be able to use your health card when travelling to another EU country after Brexit
The NHS will continue to pay for your health care.
Commuters will also receive protection.
Professional qualifications will be regocnised
Agreement to coordinate social services.

Davis needs a big dose of reality in

Realising that constructive ambiguity will get him no where.
The lack of clarity is producing huge frustration on the EU side, as without knowing what the UK wants how can it be discussed?
Business is warning Davis to stop buggering about (my words you'll be surprised to know)
Fox is beginning to try to blame the EU for the snails place, resulting from Davis' lack of clarity.
There is a suggestion this week that the UK does not feel legally obliged to pay any divorce bill. Very wrong road to go down imo.

Britain cannot have their cake and eat it. I would have thought that is obvious, but not it appears to the Brexiters.

I feel a power point presentation is needed.

Could you whip one up in the next couple of hours*WW *? I see in an article in the Rochdale Herald today reporting that DD has been voted - the Westminster Village Idiot - despite strong competition.

So the NHS is to spend £100 million on trying to attract Doctors from overseas.

The result of a double whammy.

Brexit and European doctors busy trying to retreat to sanity

The government is trying to plug the huge hole created by their totally unnecessary austerity project, and resultant lack of investment in training.